The TV Discussion Thread

[Spun Lepton]

Okay, admittedly the above set of quotes are completely wrong, but, eh. It's not like the Numberwang sketches are anything but pure nonsense.

Soooo ... I finished The Shield. Quite the ending. Whew. Gotta change my underpants now.

[number8]

"Thank you Angel Summoner!"
"...and the BMX Bandit."
"Who?"

[Mara]

Did anyone watch the Super Chef Battle (or whatever they called it) on Sunday with Michelle Obama and the White House garden ingredients? My sister and I totally wanted to watch, but the baby was uncooperative. We're going to try again on Saturday with one of the reruns.

[Mara]

Oh, and last night I dreamed that "The Big Bang Theory" was reconceived as an animated series by the xkcd guy and it was much better.

By the by, 8 encouraged me to adapt a modified version favorite tv couples thread into an article for his webiste, and I think it turned out very well. If I was the sort of person who whored out my own writing, I would post a link here. (http://www.justpressplay.net/movies/tv/6269-tv-couples-of-the-decade.html) And we all know that I am.

[number8]

Oh, and last night I dreamed that "The Big Bang Theory" was reconceived as an animated series by the xkcd guy and it was much better.

There is absolutely no way it could not.

[Fezzik]

Did anyone watch the Super Chef Battle (or whatever they called it) on Sunday with Michelle Obama and the White House garden ingredients? My sister and I totally wanted to watch, but the baby was uncooperative. We're going to try again on Saturday with one of the reruns.

I did watch it! I liked it a lot. But then, I'm a sucker for Iron Chef and its American counterpart.

Emeril was surprisingly good at thinking on his feet (especially when he had one rather unfortunate food oopsie).

There was one particular dish Batali made that looked ridiculously amazing.

[Ezee E]

Going to start on Mad Men.

[Spun Lepton]

Batali always makes stuff that make me wish I were judging.

Kat Cora does not. I think she was put on as an Iron Chef as a cynical way to draw the "suburban mom" demographic, and she's not really qualified. Anne Burrell should've been the "female Iron Chef" as far as I'm concerned.

[[ETM]]

Going to start on Mad Men.

Awesome. Note that it gets progressively better. Do not expect greatness from season 1.

[Glass Co.]

;230409']Awesome. Note that it gets progressively better. Do not expect greatness from season 1.

Yeah, it's a slow burn, and probably the most subtle television show I've ever seen. Glances and pauses are often more important than what is said.

[Lucky]

Going to start on Mad Men.

I'd recommend sticking through the entire first season no matter what. It didn't click for me until I got to the last disc of the first season. I hate to say it now, but it was kind of a chore to watch until then.

[Thirdmango]

I'm glad to hear this about Mad Men cause I sorta of expected amazing things in the first season and stopped watching cause I wasn't enjoying it.

[Mara]

I would describe the first season of Mad Men as fascinating, but not really engaging. It comes across as very cold and sterile. The second season I started becoming more emotionally involved, and this last season I was cheering and booing and ewwing.

For one thing, I started to really like a few of the characters, and I'd really disliked them the first season. They kinda grow on you.

[Mara]

Got a few episodes behind on Doctor Who, which is embarassing, because they're running about four episodes per year right now.

Anyhoo, I'm on The Water of Mars and I just remembered that I love David Tennant.

"State your name, rank, and intention."

"The Doctor... doctor... fun?"

[Glass Co.]

I would go gay for David Tennant.

[Mara]

I would go gay for David Tennant.

David Tennant wouldn't count as crossing over. He's The Doctor.

[[ETM]]

David Tennant wouldn't count as crossing over. He's The Doctor.

Jack Harkness would go straight for the Doctor. And this sentence makes sense because he's the Doctor.

[Mara]

Well. The Water of Mars was astonishingly good. Quite a pick up after the mediocre The Next Doctor.

[Acapelli]

so i watched the bbc miniseries of adaptation of the day of the triffids

it wasn't completely terrible, but really not good. eddie izzard as a total scumbag was pretty good though and the production values were on par with children of earth

[[ETM]]

Well. The Water of Mars was astonishingly good. Quite a pick up after the mediocre The Next Doctor.

Davies really needed to lay off the "good old" baddies. WoM was good but a bit too silly at times, especially considering the overall tone of the episode.

[Mara]

;230817']Davies really needed to lay off the "good old" baddies. WoM was good but a bit too silly at times, especially considering the overall tone of the episode.

I didn't find it silly.

However, the first fifteen minutes of The End of Days are quite silly. I'm hoping for a rally.

[[ETM]]

I didn't find it silly.

Not even the inexplicably rocket-powered robot?

And tell me what you think of End of Days after you see it.;)
(I still haven't seen part two, though...)

[Mara]

;230821']Not even the inexplicably rocket-powered robot?

It's a SONIC SCREWDRIVER, Budo. It can do ANYTHING.


And tell me what you think of End of Days after you see it.;)
(I still haven't seen part two, though...)

25 minutes in. It's getting better.

I couldn't handle the resurrection/I have a magic potion! scene. Come on.

And the randy old grandma from Absolutely Fabulous is on the show playing a randy old grandma! Good times.

[Mara]

;230821']
And tell me what you think of End of Days after you see it.;)
(I still haven't seen part two, though...)

Okay, I finished Part One.

Um.

WHAT?

[[ETM]]

Um.

WHAT?

Indeed. Gotta say I loved the spit-shouting, very au naturel.

[Mara]

Watch part 2 pls so we can talk about it.

[[ETM]]

Watch part 2 pls so we can talk about it.

Will do. I've had it for days, but didn't get around to it yet.

[Mara]

Dollhouse tonight.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Have you only seen the pilot? I think they pretty much maintain about the same level of energy throughout, but it does get a whole lot funnier.

I'm through episode 3, and you're right, it figures itself out pretty quickly.

[number8]

Good god, Dollhouse.

[Acapelli]

forgot it was on tonight. will have to download and watch asap

[number8]

I am now confident in saying that Topher Brink is the single best character Whedon has ever created.

[[ETM]]

Dollhouse was... wow. I'm not really buying all the reveals yet, but... wow.

[amberlita]

Wow. Summer Glau was amazingly gorgeous in those flashbacks when she wasn't a crazy person.

[Mara]

;231648']I'm not really buying all the reveals yet, but... wow.

You and me both, brother.

[Mara]

Hey kids-- can you help me compile a list of shows that have had "Groundhog Day" like episodes, where everything keeps repeating? I know I had a list somewhere once and I've forgotten it.

[[ETM]]

Of the top of my head (aided by a short Google search):

- Star Trek: TNG ("Cause and Effect")
- Supernatural ("Endless Eight")
- Day Break (it's the actual plot of the show)
- Eureka ("I Do Over")
- The Twilight Zone ("Shadow Play")
- The X-files ("Monday")

Seems to be a hugely popular plot device.

[Mara]

There's a partial Buffy episode that does it. (Life Serial)

Plus, my friend showed me a Stargate episode about it, but I don't remember the name.

And, apparently, Xena.

[[ETM]]

Plus, my friend showed me a Stargate episode about it, but I don't remember the name.

"Window of Opportunity"


And, apparently, Xena.

"Been there, done that"

[[ETM]]

Watch part 2 pls so we can talk about it.

Seen it.

A very fitting ending. It's good old Who - silliness and plot holes, but it always wins you back with a terrific performance and/or a brilliant scene.

[Thirdmango]

Woo! I was talking with a friend after the attic episode of dollhouse.

and I said who I thought the fellow was going to be and I was right. Huzzah. That was a good reveal. I don't really buy it either but it's still fun.

[MadMan]

Yeah I have the Dr. Who episodes created after Season 4 ended on my Netflix queue, and I hope to make it through all of them soon. Unfortuantely I don't get SyFy or the BBC network, so I'll have to wait for Season 5 to come out on DVD. Unless it gets put on Hulu....

[[ETM]]

Oh and (re: The End of Time) - Alonso from the bar is midshipman Alonso Frame from "Voyage of the Damned". So he did survive the crash of the Titanic.:lol: I knew I had seen that face before.

[Mara]

;231764']Seen it.

A very fitting ending. It's good old Who - silliness and plot holes, but it always wins you back with a terrific performance and/or a brilliant scene.

I seem to remember being astonished by the craziness of the plot, with the Doctor's mother (!! I assume) and Timothy Dalton and whatever else, but in retrospect I'm just blown away by how sad the doctor's various departures were-- and that they got the whole cast back! Jack! Rose!

And Martha married Micky, how weird is THAT? And now I want them both to move to Torchwood.

More thoughts when I have a minute.

[Mara]

;231839']Oh and (re: The End of Time) - Alonso from the bar is midshipman Alonso Frame from "Voyage of the Damned". So he did survive the crash of the Titanic.:lol: I knew I had seen that face before.

I assume you mean those ears.

I'd forgotten him, but I had forgotten a few of the past connections he made (like the woman with the book) so I wiki'd them.

[[ETM]]

I assume you mean those ears.

Indeed. He does remind me of Ianto a bit.


I'd forgotten him, but I had forgotten a few of the past connections he made (like the woman with the book) so I wiki'd them.

I hadn't, since the Human Nature/Family of Blood two-parter was brilliant. They used the same actress who played Joan Redfern in the episode for her granddaughter, too.

EDIT: BTW, I liked The Next Doctor, until you-know-who appeared. I thought Morrissey was great and had great chemistry with Tennant, but Davies just HAD to screw it up with his tired plots and villains.

[number8]

I don't think I've ever been more fascinated by anything as I am with James Franco's General Hospital stint. Yes, I'm actually watching General Hospital.

It's just... Wow.

[Watashi]

My God, help me. I'm actually considering watching the Simpsons 20th anniversary special tonight. I know that ten minutes will be dedicated to the good years, but still..

[Thirdmango]

It started out slow but the first series of "How Not To Live Your Life" got really good and then ended well. But then they changed two of the main characters for series two and it makes me sad but it's still pretty good writing so I'm still going on it.

[Mara]

Anyone with a clever way of finding one measly episode of Chicago Hope (4.03, "Brain Salad Surgery") let me know and I'll give you rep. I can't seem to rent it, pay for it, find it streaming, or anything else. It's like the freaking dark ages over here.

:sad:

[number8]

Anyone with a clever way of finding one measly episode of Chicago Hope (4.03, "Brain Salad Surgery") let me know and I'll give you rep. I can't seem to rent it, pay for it, find it streaming, or anything else. It's like the freaking dark ages over here.

:sad:

Check thy PM.

[MadMan]

My God, help me. I'm actually considering watching the Simpsons 20th anniversary special tonight. I know that ten minutes will be dedicated to the good years, but still..Eh, in the end I gave in and watched it, and actually most of it was quite awesome. The show may not be up to the old standards, but I actually have enjoyed most of the handful of episodes I've seen from the current season. The problem with the show is that the earlier years set the bar so high, there's no way the show could remain as fresh and as brilliant as during those days.

Have to say that one of the writers taking a potshot at message boards with the "Message boards were funnier 10 years ago" makes him sound a bit bitter. Had The Simpsons ended when it was supposed to, it would have gone down as one of the greatest shows in TV history. And yet, despite the latter years dating up to now, I'd still place it on a list of the best shows of all time. Go figure.

[number8]

Have to say that one of the writers taking a potshot at message boards with the "Message boards were funnier 10 years ago" makes him sound a bit bitter.

Best line in the special, and delivered so perfectly dry by him. I laughed so hard at that. He also made a point when he said, "I stopped reading the new posts."

Second best was Conan's idea for how the show should end.

[Mara]

So. Chuck.

[Kurosawa Fan]

So. Chuck.

Didn't like the first episode until the final minutes of the second one. I'm optimistic.

[Mara]

Didn't like the first episode until the final minutes of the second one. I'm optimistic.

Just finished the first one. I'm torn. I hope that if it's a ploy to get more viewers, that it works. But I hope they don't alienate those who are already fans.

But, come on. That six-month story doesn't even make sense.

[Mara]

Oh, I'm also not sold on Zach's slightly longer curls.

[Kurosawa Fan]

Oh, I'm also not sold on Zach's slightly longer curls.

I don't like them either. Val thinks he looks much better than last year.

And try to withhold judgment until you finish episode two. There's a reason they aired them together.

[number8]

So. Chuck.

I rather categorize it together with The Big Bang Theory.

[Mara]

I'm trying to write another television article and I'm surprised how much time I spend spontaneously criticizing haircuts. I keep having trim it out again.

Trim! Hair! Ha!

[Mara]

I rather categorize it together with The Big Bang Theory.

Oh, in my opinion, it's far superior.

[Kurosawa Fan]

I rather categorize it together with The Big Bang Theory.

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about Chuck.

[[ETM]]

I'll be seeing it soon. Missed me some Strahotski.

[Mara]

;232174']I'll be seeing it soon. Missed me some Strahotski.

So far, they're not being shy about her assets.

[number8]

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about Chuck.

Mm, no, I know a lot about Chuck.

[number8]

Oh, in my opinion, it's far superior.

Well, it'd be hard to be inferior to The Big Bang Theory.

[Kurosawa Fan]

Mm, no, I know a lot about Chuck.

Okay, then you're just nuts.

[Mara]

I don't like them either. Val thinks he looks much better than last year.

No. Just, no. Chuck has mom hair.

[number8]

Wow. I wrote a very long post explaining the similarities between TBBT and Chuck, and after 7-8 paragraphs, something clicked in my head and I said, "What am I doing?" and deleted it all.

Bottom line: Both are geekbaiting, never feel FUBU enough. I have low tolerance for that kind of thing.

[Mara]

FUBU

Man, even googling isn't helping me here.

[[ETM]]

Man, even googling isn't helping me here.

"For us, by us"? I'm assuming 8's not talking about "Fucked Up Beyond Understanding".

[number8]

For us by us.

[Mara]

For us by us.

I guess google was right, I just couldn't make sense of it. Can you put the quality you're looking for in different words?

[Mara]

Oh, and I'm excited RE: the two guest stars that are coming on (I think) tonight, or at least soon. The she-guest is one of the prettiest actresses out there, in my opinion, if given to mediocre projects.

[Glass Co.]

Best line in the special, and delivered so perfectly dry by him. I laughed so hard at that. He also made a point when he said, "I stopped reading the new posts."


Agreed. As much as it annoys me that the show has gotten stale, the constant bitching about it on message boards is far more annoying.

/hypocracy

[[ETM]]

Okay, Morgan's "Sayonara" scene was perfect.

[MadMan]

Best line in the special, and delivered so perfectly dry by him. I laughed so hard at that. He also made a point when he said, "I stopped reading the new posts."I liked the "new posts" part better, actually.


Second best was Conan's idea for how the show should end.Absolutely hilarious, and would be a perfect last shot. Although I always wondered if Lisa would just go postal and start shooting everyone in the town, although I guess that sounds more along the lines of South Park.

Damnit, I missed Chuck last night, didn't I? Oh well, I'll just watch tonight's episode.

[Ezee E]

What was Conan's idea?

[number8]

What was Conan's idea?

I wouldn't do it justice because the way he told it was hilarious, but he basically said it should be just Marge looking at Homer, realization in her eyes, and going, "You are such an idiot. You are endangering my children. You have nearly destroyed this town six hundred thousand times. You are a threat to humanity. I am leaving you."

[[ETM]]

Brilliant and NSF effin' W - profanity-laced Better Off Ted outtakes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7Nz4bIwss

[MadMan]

I wouldn't do it justice because the way he told it was hilarious, but he basically said it should be just Marge looking at Homer, realization in her eyes, and going, "You are such an idiot. You are endangering my children. You have nearly destroyed this town six hundred thousand times. You are a threat to humanity. I am leaving you."This entire statement was then followed by a clip of Marge slamming the door on Homer, with Homer saying "Marge the door blew closed." Classic.

[Acapelli]

so the original text at the end of the 20th anniversary special was supposed to read: "Thanks for 20 wonderful years. Now stay tuned for three Seth MacFarlane shows."

[Raiders]

I don't think I've ever been more fascinated by anything as I am with James Franco's General Hospital stint. Yes, I'm actually watching General Hospital.

It's just... Wow.

Yeah, my wife and I have been sporadically watching this when it re-airs late at night on the Soap Network just to see it. His unhinged, gleefully silly performance is great, but coupled with all these other stone-faced, brooding actors surrounding him taking this whole thing seriously is just monumentally awesome.

[number8]

Yeah, my wife and I have been sporadically watching this when it re-airs late at night on the Soap Network just to see it. His unhinged, gleefully silly performance is great, but coupled with all these other stone-faced, brooding actors surrounding him taking this whole thing seriously is just monumentally awesome.

I love how they say "Franco" like 128 times an episode.

The whole business with the bomb was priceless.

[Acapelli]

interview with tim minear about last friday's dollhouse

http://io9.com/5444956/the-truth-about-dollhouses-evil-mastermind?skyline=true&s=x

awesome quote (spoilers)

"And I shot Bennett in the head because it's funny."
i love dollhouse and firefly so much i may break down and finally watch buffy

[Mara]

i love dollhouse and firefly so much i may break down and finally watch buffy

*squeaks*

*inserts obligatory "you have to wait out the first season" remark*

[number8]

This guy we know who's a big Buffy fan gave us his copy of Season 1 to keep. I don't even know why we accepted.

[Mara]

This guy we know who's a big Buffy fan gave us his copy of Season 1 to keep. I don't even know why we accepted.

If big Buffy fans are giving away their copies, what does that tell you?

[number8]

If big Buffy fans are giving away their copies, what does that tell you?

It's a show for bipolar people.

[Mara]

It's a show for bipolar people.

:lol:

Naw, it says that the first season is a bit of a mess. Still, there's ample return on the investment.

[Duncan]

Kids in the Hall are back on the air. First ep was very funny. Good to see some genuinely mean-spirited humour on TV.

[Mara]

Kids in the Hall are back on the air. First ep was very funny. Good to see some genuinely mean-spirited humour on TV.

New episodes? Why haven't I heard about this before?

[Duncan]

New episodes? Why haven't I heard about this before?

8 part miniseries called Death Comes to Town. It started airing in Canada yesterday.

[Mara]

I haven't watched 24 in years, but I just saw a promo and saw Elisha Cuthbert. Girlfriend is looking rough. She's only 27.

Katee Sackhoff looks great, though.

[Watashi]

I've been going through the first season of Supernatural the past week. I like it. The first half feels like a watered down X-Files but I kept with it due to the humor and chemistry between the brothers. It's getting a lot better once it separated from the 'monster-of-the-week' formula and delve into its own mythology. I love how every girl Sam and Dean meet are drop dead gorgeous.

[Mara]

I love how every girl Sam and Dean meet are drop dead gorgeous.

AND THEY ALL DIE. Supernatural is infamous for killing girls.

I maintain that the show was only middling until the late second season. The third season was good, and the fourth season was actually awesome.

When you're a little further along, there was a very funny Cracked article on Supernatural a month or so back.

[Morris Schæffer]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20336663,00.html

Whoa, Michael C. Hall has been battling cancer?!

[Mara]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20336663,00.html

Whoa, Michael C. Hall has been battling cancer?!

Saw that. Crazy. He's always been really private, though.

And no matter what that article says, lymphoma is serious crap. I've had one family member die from it (even though they kept saying it was sooooo treatable), one family friend almost die from it and be on a colonoscopy bag for the rest of his life because they had to surgically remove his intestines, and one friend who recovered with no long-term effects.

[MadMan]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20336663,00.html

Whoa, Michael C. Hall has been battling cancer?!Damn. That's quite the curveball.

I gave up on Supernatural somewhere halfway through the first season, although I did like the brothers' chemistry a lot. Regardless I didn't see anything to make me stick around. This isn't the only show I've abandoned in similiar fashion: there's also Heroes and Fringe.

[EyesWideOpen]

Damn. That's quite the curveball.

I gave up on Supernatural somewhere halfway through the first season, although I did like the brothers' chemistry a lot. Regardless I didn't see anything to make me stick around. This isn't the only show I've abandoned in similiar fashion: there's also Heroes and Fringe.

Bad move on Fringe. It's one of the best shows on television.

[Glass Co.]

What's the story with Fringe? When it first started I was hearing nothing but awful things and now it seems I'm hearing nothing but good things. Did it really improve or did I just change my sources?

[EyesWideOpen]

What's the story with Fringe? When it first started I was hearing nothing but awful things and now it seems I'm hearing nothing but good things. Did it really improve or did I just change my sources?

IMO, it's been great from the start but it really started picking up steam at about the halfway point of the first season when it went more away from a monster of the week show and started telling an overarching conspiracy story. It's also got 4 of the best characters/actors on television.

[number8]

I watched the other night to see of it improved. The writing's still as bad as I remember. It's boring as hell.

[Winston*]

Finished season 2 of The West Wing. Pretty sick of this show, I think I got all I need to get out of it in season 1. No longer finding these characters with all their dedication and moral fiber very interesting.

[Mara]

Wow. I can't say that I agree with that at all.

[Acapelli]

I watched the other night to see of it improved. The writing's still as bad as I remember. It's boring as hell.
if it was monday's episode, that was an episode that was a holdover from season 1 that they decided to air now for some reason

pretty much uniformly trashed online

[Thirdmango]

Finished season 2 of The West Wing. Pretty sick of this show, I think I got all I need to get out of it in season 1. No longer finding these characters with all their dedication and moral fiber very interesting.

I actually sorta agreed with this. I watched the whole series and especially in seasons 5 and 6 I was getting really bored. However season 7 was by far and away my favorite season of the show.

[Thirdmango]

I just watched the first two episodes of BBC's Being Human. Has anyone else seen this? I liked it a lot.

[MadMan]

Finished season 2 of The West Wing. Pretty sick of this show, I think I got all I need to get out of it in season 1. No longer finding these characters with all their dedication and moral fiber very interesting.Personally I think I'm too cynical for The West Wing.

[number8]

I actually sorta agreed with this. I watched the whole series and especially in seasons 5 and 6 I was getting really bored. However season 7 was by far and away my favorite season of the show.

This is more understandable, since Sorkin left after 4. But Season 2 was easily the best of the series.

[EyesWideOpen]

if it was monday's episode, that was an episode that was a holdover from season 1 that they decided to air now for some reason

pretty much uniformly trashed online

I enjoyed it except for the fact that a dead main character was very much alive and well in the episode which I had to go online to figure out what was up.

[MadMan]

Oh and my friend recently purchased The Simpsons Seasons 1-3 on DVD. So tonight I watched a bunch of episodes, and stopped at Homer's Night Out. So far, despite the non-surprising primative animation, the writing and jokes are funny and there are some truly good episodes. Previously I had only seen a few from the first season.

[Thirdmango]

I'm currently in season 4 of my "Watch every episode of the simpsons" quest. I can definitively say, I did not like season 1.

[Mara]

Friday Night Lights is returning to NBC. (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/14/friday-night-lights-season-4-april-30/)

[Kurosawa Fan]

Friday Night Lights is returning to NBC. (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/14/friday-night-lights-season-4-april-30/)

Well, that's better than summer, but it's still too long to wait. I've already "acquired" the fourth season thus far, and am going to plow through it as soon as Val finishes the last three episodes from season three.

[number8]

Uhh, those final moments of Dollhouse was... really bad.

:sad:

[[ETM]]

Bad as in last week's rushed-ending-bad or bad-general-idea bad?

[number8]

No, no, bad as in really poorly made (although it was pretty rushed too).

Especially when Echo was running away from a moronic fireball and then it cuts to the rest just standing there listening to the kabooms, and then it cuts to Echo just standing there... in front of a perfectly fine building. WTF?

I know they don't have a lot of budget at this point, but damn.

[Mara]

I'm of several minds regarding this episode of Dollhouse.

No pun intended.

I'm curious about where we're going.

[Thirdmango]

Human Target makes me giggle.

[[ETM]]

I know they don't have a lot of budget at this point, but damn.

It didn't bother me at all. I'm imagining most of the stuff now anyway, I'd watch it if it had cue cards saying "Okay, imagine a huge explosion now".:lol:

[Acapelli]

Human Target makes me giggle.
i really like mark valley, so i hope the show does well. i'll be watching for sure

[Mara]

Martin Scorsese is making an HBO series?

And the pilot cost $50 million?

Teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMP4VgmUWI)

Kinda surprised this is the first I'm hearing about it.

[Mara]

Martin Scorsese is making an HBO series?

And the pilot cost $50 million?

Teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMP4VgmUWI)

Kinda surprised this is the first I'm hearing about it.

Oh, except someone just made a thread about it. n/m

[Mara]

I've also been watching a few episodes of Start Trek: TOS for the first time while working on other things. Some thoughts:

1. Holy male eye make-up.

2. For a show that tries to be very progressive regarding race and gender relations, it's still quite dated. They let WOMEN work on SPACESHIPS! Like it's no big deal! They get coffee for the men and occasionally give them sex.

3. The special effects are bad, but the writing is usually pretty good.

4. Spock is tall. It's possible that I'm attracted to him.

5. Shatner is really not a great actor, especially the physical stuff. I'm not attracted to him at all.

6. Bell-bottomed high-water pants are funny.

[number8]

I am loving Ricky Gervais on the Globes. Looks like the general reaction is similar to the one for Stewart on his first Oscar gig. Bah.

[number8]

Also, Meryl Streep's acceptance speech was amazingly classy.

[number8]

Okay, CTU agents really need to stop dating each other.

[MadMan]

Okay, CTU agents really need to stop dating each other.Yes, yes they do :D

Human Target was fairly entertaining, if a bit silly. So naturally I'm hooked. And The Simpsons Season 1 is great stuff-I'm currently midway through the amazingness that is Season 2.

[Morris Schæffer]

Yes, yes they do :D

Human Target was fairly entertaining, if a bit silly. So naturally I'm hooked. And The Simpsons Season 1 is great stuff-I'm currently midway through the amazingness that is Season 2.

I sort of became really reluctant to jump on board when the trailer made the train segments to look significantly worse than the finale of Mission: Impossible. Which came out a whopping 13 years ago! So yeah, when the budget, talent and time isn't there to do persuasive FX, TV shows shouldn't bother.

I'll definitely watch 24 though, but season 5 had that airplane emergency landing sequence that made me go "oh oh."

It wasn't too bad.

[[ETM]]

I love the cast of Human Target, and Bear McCreary is doing the music, so I'm prepared to cut it a lot of slack. Tricia Helfer was great in the pilot.

[Mara]

;234099']I love the cast of Human Target, and Bear McCreary is doing the music, so I'm prepared to cut it a lot of slack. Tricia Helfer was great in the pilot.

Is she a regular, or one-off?

This show has Chi McBride? ....I love him.

[[ETM]]

Is she a regular, or one-off?

Sadly, she's a one-off, a client. Doc Cottle is somewhat of a regular, it seems, though. Chi McBride is channelling his "Pushing Daisies" role a bit, but in a good way. Too early to tell. Jackie Earle-Haley being all Rorschach-y was great, too.

[Thirdmango]

I sort of became really reluctant to jump on board when the trailer made the train segments to look significantly worse than the finale of Mission: Impossible. Which came out a whopping 13 years ago! So yeah, when the budget, talent and time isn't there to do persuasive FX, TV shows shouldn't bother.

This criticism confuses me, especially considering you're basing it off of the previews and the fact that both Human Target and Mission Impossible are going for very different vibes.

[Acapelli]

danny glover showing up at the end of human target was a pretty random treat

[number8]

24 is really not that bad so far this season.

It's the exact same fucking thing as every year, but it's not boring me like last season. So that's something.

Anil Kapoor is a poor actor.

[Qrazy]

What was that BBC comedy (not Peep Show or The Office) that was supposed to be good?

[[ETM]]

What was that BBC comedy (not Peep Show or The Office) that was supposed to be good?

Coupling is hilarious...

[Qrazy]

;234266']Coupling is hilarious...

Hmm not what I was thinking of but I'll give it a look.

[Winston*]

It was Monty Python, Qrazy.

[number8]

;234266']Coupling is hilarious...

This makes me want to stab somebody.

[Mara]

What was that BBC comedy (not Peep Show or The Office) that was supposed to be good?

Spaced?
Absolutely Fabulous?
Fawlty Towers?

[Acapelli]

i've been watching black books and that's been pretty good

[[ETM]]

This makes me want to stab somebody.

Because Qrazy hasn't seen it?

[Mara]

Speaking of BBC Comedies, I tried to watch Manchild for important Anthony-Stewart-Head-centric reasons, and it was bad. Horribly, unwatchably bad. Cringingly embarassingly not-even-Tony-is-worth-it bad.

BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD.

My thesaurus is failing me.

[[ETM]]

Tony was never too picky about his roles, as far as I can tell.

[Mara]

;234276']Tony was never too picky about his roles, as far as I can tell.

I keep telling him that he's earned the right to a discerning eye, but nooooooooooooo, he doesn't listen to me.

[number8]

;234273']Because Qrazy hasn't seen it?

Because Coupling is fucking terrible. Just awful, bottom of the barrel, lowest common denominator crap. Sex jokes for 30 minutes. I don't even know why I watched as many episodes as I did, but with each one, I got bewildered as to why anyone would praise such a show.

[[ETM]]

Because Coupling is fucking terrible. Just awful, bottom of the barrel, lowest common denominator crap. Sex jokes for 30 minutes. I don't even know why I watched as many episodes as I did, but with each one, I got bewildered as to why anyone would praise such a show.

I don't consider myself a fan of "bottom of the barrel" comedy, and I find it consistently funny within its own set boundaries and rules. I find several of the episodes downright brilliant in execution, and it's one of the shows I keep coming back to for laughs. I don't really care how you feel about it, honestly.

[Kurosawa Fan]

;234283']I don't consider myself a fan of "bottom of the barrel" comedy, and I find it consistently funny within its own set boundaries and rules. I find several of the episodes downright brilliant in execution, and it's one of the shows I keep coming back to for laughs. I don't really care how you feel about it, honestly.

Again, number8 has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to television. Coupling is far from "bottom of the barrel" comedy. Aside from the final season, I thought it was often sharp-witted and hilarious.

[Acapelli]

wow you guys sure are touchy when it comes to television

[Spun Lepton]

What was that BBC comedy (not Peep Show or The Office) that was supposed to be good?

I recently caught That Mitchell and Webb Look on Netflix Instant. Quite funny, that one. Is that the one you were thinking of, Q?

Oh, another really funny one is The IT Crowd. British farce at its finest.

[Mara]

wow you guys sure are touchy when it comes to television

You take that back!

[Kurosawa Fan]

I recently caught That Mitchell and Webb Look on Netflix Instant. Quite funny, that one. Is that the one you were thinking of, Q?

It's pretty brilliant. I've seen the first two episodes and I'm hooked.

[Qrazy]

Spaced?
Absolutely Fabulous?
Fawlty Towers?

Yeah it was Spaced, thanks.

I've seen Monty Python, Mitchell and Webb and Fawlty Towers and really like them all. I grew up on Fawlty Towers.

[Mara]

I recently caught That Mitchell and Webb Look on Netflix Instant. Quite funny, that one. Is that the one you were thinking of, Q?

Actually, I just found myself clicking through a dozen or so YouTube clips of this just the other day. I'd never heard of it before.

After a dozen clips, I was pretty much bored, but I'll admit to some real chuckles.

Particularly this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDNgmdGMpuY) one.

[[ETM]]

Aside from the final season, I thought it was often sharp-witted and hilarious.

This is true. The last season was like the final "oops, we didn't cancel you after all" season of Babylon 5: not exactly bad, but not required viewing either.

[Spun Lepton]

It's pretty brilliant. I've seen the first two episodes and I'm hooked.

"Are we the baddies?"

[number8]

Coupling = British Two and a Half Men.

[number8]

Best Mitchell & Webb sketch is the bread telling people God doesn't exist. That, or the vegetarian host one.

[[ETM]]

Coupling = British Two and a Half Men.

This makes me want to stab somebody.

[Qrazy]

Best Mitchell & Webb sketch is the bread telling people God doesn't exist. That, or the vegetarian host one.

Watermelon.

[Kurosawa Fan]

Coupling = British Two and a Half Men.

Your comparisons = Two and a Half Men/Big Bang Theory

[Qrazy]

You know what I've never understood the love for? Roseanne. That show was consistently awful.

[number8]

Watermelon.

That's right. Man, I need to see it again. Netflix has all the episodes?

[Mara]

Two posts in a row citing bad shows starring Johnny Galecki.

Whom I find physically attractive.

And that's all they have going for them.

[Qrazy]

That's right. Man, I need to see it again. Netflix has all the episodes?

Dunno full eps are on youtube though.

[Spun Lepton]

That's right. Man, I need to see it again. Netflix has all the episodes?

Only the first season, so far.

[number8]

First season's good.

"Or... I can just summon a horde of angels."

[[ETM]]

You know what I've never understood the love for? Roseanne. That show was consistently awful.

I'm guessing it was considered funny by the same type of people who watch "hits" like Two and a Half Men today. I remember watching it as a kid but I don't recall a single frame.

[number8]

;234331']I'm guessing it was considered funny by the same type of people who watch "hits" like Two and a Half Men today.

Yeah, or Coupling.

[[ETM]]

Yeah, or Coupling.

:rolleyes:

[number8]

http://biobreak.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/captain-picard-full-of-win-500x381.jpg

[[ETM]]

http://biobreak.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/captain-picard-full-of-win-500x381.jpg

http://blog.spout.com/wp-content/uploads/brazil.jpg
- He's got away from us, Jack.
- Afraid you're right, Mr. Helpmann. He's gone.
- Mmm.
- Well...

[MadMan]

The new season of 24 is off to a pretty solid start. But honestly the last time the show will ever be great is going to be Season 5. Too bad. They really need to end the show eventually, and soon because Season 6 was weak, although Season 7 turned out to be mostly good.

Morris, I don't think Human Target really is anything like Mission: Impossible. Generic, sure, but the cast for it has me hooked for now. Whether or not the show will survive on a fickle network like Fox is beyond me. And yes it was awesome that at the end of the first episode Danny Glover showed up. Hilarious.

[Morris Schæffer]

Anil Kapoor is a poor actor.

Anil Kagood just has no bloody ring to it mate.

[Morris Schæffer]

This criticism confuses me, especially considering you're basing it off of the previews and the fact that both Human Target and Mission Impossible are going for very different vibes.

Silliness is one thing, but I'd still like my action scenes to look real enough, to thrill me. Still, I realized I was all basing it off a trailer so perhaps the finished sequences will dazzle enough...for a TV show.

[Mara]

"Or... I can just summon a horde of angels."

:lol:

I just saw these last night. Fantastic.

[[ETM]]

I thought the train sequence looked real enough... and about as plausible as the ome in M:I, I guess.

[[ETM]]

So Chuck was pretty good last night. I think Routh is a good addition to the cast, and kudos for a frakkin' The Warriors reference.

[[ETM]]

Uh-oh... FOX readying US version of Torchwood (http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/01/fox-readying-us-version-of-torchwood-.html)

:|

The bad:
- It's on FOX.
- Remake of a BBC series... on FOX

The good(?):
- Davies and the original creative team are on board
- John Barrowman might appear if FOX orders the pilot

I'm torn over this... a well funded reboot might be a great thing. But I just don't see the quirkiness crossing over, which is what sets the show apart from similar cookie-cutter sci-fi shows. We'll see.

[Mara]

;234419']Uh-oh... FOX readying US version of Torchwood (http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/01/fox-readying-us-version-of-torchwood-.html)

I'm concerned.

Very concerned.

And if Barrowman comes over to Torchwood in the US, what happens to Torchwood in the UK? And how the crap are they going to explain a Harkness-like character without the Doctor Who background?

It's just going to end up as Fringe, with homoerotic overtones.

[Mara]

It's just going to end up as Fringe, with homoerotic overtones.

Actually, this is Fox.

They'll probably cut out the homoerotic overtones.

"Torchwood: above the government, beyond the police, completely and totally straight. The twenty-first century is when everything changes, but not in a gay way."

[[ETM]]

And if Barrowman comes over to Torchwood in the US, what happens to Torchwood in the UK? And how the crap are they going to explain a Harkness-like character without the Doctor Who background?

No idea. Perhaps Jack doesn't star in the US version, just kick it off... And they can easily circumvent the whole Who myth, just make Jack a time-travelling con man, which he was at first.


It's just going to end up as Fringe, with homoerotic overtones.

I hope not. Fringe's problem is that it's sterile - the performances, stories, everything. Torchwood can pull off even the silliest plot with the tone and approach to characters.

[Mara]

;234427']No idea. Perhaps Jack doesn't star in the US version, just kick it off... And they can easily circumvent the whole Who myth, just make Jack a time-travelling con man, which he was at first.

Plus, immortal. For no particular reason.

[[ETM]]

Plus, immortal. For no particular reason.

FOX will find a way.
He's gonna be Jack Logan in this version.
http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2009/08/wolverine11.jpg

[[ETM]]

Oh boy. Check out how casualy they drop the bomb in the very last sentence. (http://tv.ign.com/articles/106/1061780p1.html)

[Mara]

;234433']Oh boy. Check out how casualy they drop the bomb in the very last sentence. (http://tv.ign.com/articles/106/1061780p1.html)

Won't work. I'd put earnest money on it.

Unless Whedon did it, in which case it would work wonderfully, and then be cancelled.

[[ETM]]

I don't think even Whedon could make that work for anyone.

[Mara]

;234436']I don't think even Whedon could make that work for anyone.

What I think both Doctor Who and Torchwood do really well is balance the serious with the silly. (Obviously, they have different ratios, but still.) American shows can very rarely do that, but I think Whedon actually has a knack for it. Plus, we all know he works well in a science fiction / fantasy environment.

Really, though, that's just a stray thought. I don't want them to do it at all.

[Mara]

Hmm. Caught up on Chuck. Overall, a really fun episode, but I'm unconvinced of Routh's character. It felt like Bryce Lite. Give him some meat.

[[ETM]]

I'm unconvinced of Routh's character. It felt like Bryce Lite. Give him some meat.

Hmm. I thought he was quite the opposite of Bryce - calm and methodical rather than spur of the moment type, a bit out of the worldly affairs. I think I'm gonna like what he brings to the table, dark secret or no.

[Acapelli]

routh is really good looking

[Acapelli]

also the sideplot with starbuck's redneck ex on 24 is really annoying

i want her to murder him

[MadMan]

also the sideplot with starbuck's redneck ex on 24 is really annoying

i want her to murder himYes that subplot is horrible. I'm having flashbacks to the awful, hilarious Kim v. the cougar and Kim v. the evil dad in Season 2 of 24.

[EvilShoe]

Well, that's better than summer, but it's still too long to wait. I've already "acquired" the fourth season thus far, and am going to plow through it as soon as Val finishes the last three episodes from season three.
Again with the Val!

Let me know when you see ep 5 of season 4, plx.

[Thirdmango]

I think number8 watched the US version of Coupling cause seriously, the UK version is amazing.

[Thirdmango]

Silliness is one thing, but I'd still like my action scenes to look real enough, to thrill me. Still, I realized I was all basing it off a trailer so perhaps the finished sequences will dazzle enough...for a TV show.

I guess the comparison confuses me even more. I mean I guess if they were trying to be like MI then I could see it. But most to all of the action scenes take place inside the train, not outside so again I'd say watch the episode before making such a strange comparison.

[Thirdmango]

also the sideplot with starbuck's redneck ex on 24 is really annoying

i want her to murder him

I was thinking of Rudy's junkie sister. They seem to need to have one of these everytime they have a new CTU agent.

[Morris Schæffer]

I guess the comparison confuses me even more. I mean I guess if they were trying to be like MI then I could see it. But most to all of the action scenes take place inside the train, not outside so again I'd say watch the episode before making such a strange comparison.

From what I could tell, the train seemed to crash so it did seem to get a bit more outlandish.

[Thirdmango]

From what I could tell, the train seemed to crash so it did seem to get a bit more outlandish.

The Train crashes at the end of the episode and you don't see it crash, it does so inside a tunnel. It doesn't even explode.

[Thirdmango]

That episode of Castle was awesome.

[number8]

I think number8 watched the US version of Coupling cause seriously, the UK version is amazing.

THERE'S A US VERSION OF THIS BULLSHIT?

[Kurosawa Fan]

Again with the Val!

Let me know when you see ep 5 of season 4, plx.

Not to worry, she finished last night so we'll be starting season four very soon.

[[ETM]]

THERE'S A US VERSION OF THIS BULLSHIT?

number8 = Two and a Half Men of posting

[number8]

As in Emmy Award winning?

[Acapelli]

so spartacus is literally 300: the show. lots of slow motion, lots of blood, lots of swearing

pretty bad

[[ETM]]

As in Emmy Award winning?

I weep for the Emmys.

[[ETM]]

so spartacus is literally 300: the show. lots of slow motion, lots of blood, lots of swearing

You forgot very explicit sex.

I'm kinda hoping it improves, since they hired Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen after Dollhouse ended.

[number8]

"Hey, that Rome show was pretty cool, but it was kinda slow. Let's make that but like 300, so it's fiestier."
"Okay... but about what?"
"I dunno, what's a famous story from that period?"
"...Spartacus?"
"Done."

[Ezee E]

I thought you liked Aziz Ary?

[number8]

I thought you liked Aziz Ary?

I like him in small doses. His stand-up special is phenomenally unfunny.

[[ETM]]

"Hey, that Rome show was pretty cool, but it was kinda slow. Let's make that but like 300, so it's fiestier."
"Okay... but about what?"
"I dunno, what's a famous story from that period?"
"...Spartacus?"
"Done."

"Can we get some genre veterans, for name recognition and convention potential?"
"Hmm... Xena's available"
"Perfect!"
"There's also that guy from Xena, LOTR, Legend of the Seeker..."
"Haldir/Rahl? Awesome! We're all set. Find me a few hunks and babes, and let's roll."

[Acapelli]

I like him in small doses. His stand-up special is phenomenally unfunny.
i thought it was hilarious

[EvilShoe]

Oz is a cool show, even though the plotting is very, very flawed.

Almost done with season 4. Same casting people as The Wire, I assume? Or does HBO have a contract with these actors.

[Winston*]

Oz is a cool show, even though the plotting is very, very flawed.

Almost done with season 4.

So you've got through the aging pill and Chinese refugee episodes and are still sticking with it?

[EvilShoe]

So you've got through the aging pill and Chinese refugee episodes and are still sticking with it?
Yeah, I still find it entertaining. Been having problems with the show way before that anyway.

Can't think of another show that had Peter Dinklage appear for half a minute as "midget that gets thrown of roof".

[Mara]

I've only ever seen one episode of Oz-- "Variety", in the fifth season.

It was really strange.

[Henry Gale]

I like Aziz a lot, but just having seen most of his talk show appearances from the past year or so meant I had heard most of the material from Intimate Moments already. Not bad to hear it all in one place again, but it's just like when Gervais did his Out of England for HBO, it all just felt stale hearing it redone from past specials and appearances.

I'd still recommend it to people that seem to like him on Parks & Rec and whatever cameos they've seen him do, but I'd likely give tell them to get the Human Giant DVD first.

[Thirdmango]

Yeah Spartacus was a lot of slow motion gore, and lots of tits. It was sorta nice seeing Lucy Lawless naked. But overall it's not good. I'll probably still watch it though. I'm not tired of it yet.

[[ETM]]

Lucy Lawless naked

*downloads*


Okay, not really.

[Mara]

Oh, White Collar came back. I just caught up.

I'm tentatively optimistic about where they're taking the megamystery.

[[ETM]]

Oh, White Collar came back. I just caught up.

I'm tentatively optimistic about where they're taking the megamystery.

Indeed. Very cool episode.

I also saw erp. 2 of Human Target. It was preposterously fun. While I'm not even gonna get into the "science" of it all (the pilot had plenty of silliness already in that regard), it's just such an ambitious action show. I mean, even McCreary's score with that full live orchestra sound sounds larger than life.

Amusing details:
- Alessandro "Gaeta" Giuliani in a small part
- Courtney Ford was pretty great, but not topless enough

[Acapelli]

yeah i was excited to see gaeta

that's already 3 bsg alum on the show

[[ETM]]

yeah i was excited to see gaeta

that's already 3 bsg alum on the show

4 if you count the composer

[Kurosawa Fan]

That episode of Castle was awesome.

Very impressive.

[Watashi]

Goddamn, Supernatural is getting amazing. I'm only a few episodes into season 2 but it's definitely starting to kick it in high gear with more hot girls.

Jeffrey Dean Morgan :sad::sad::sad:

[Morris Schæffer]

The Train crashes at the end of the episode and you don't see it crash, it does so inside a tunnel. It doesn't even explode.

Well, whatever, I've seen it now and there were one or two fairly fake shots, but they lasted a mere second so nothing to complain about.

[Mara]

Goddamn, Supernatural is getting amazing. I'm only a few episodes into season 2 but it's definitely starting to kick it in high gear with more hot girls.

Jeffrey Dean Morgan :sad::sad::sad:

Seriously.

You're buying into it earlier than I did. (Some posters were VERY PERSISTENT in keeping me watching it into the late second season, when it really started to get intriguing.)

EDIT: Season four will blow your mind. No joke.

[[ETM]]

It's funny how both Castle and Leverage had Irish mob episodes in the same week. Leverage is light entertainment, but I really liked the caper they pulled in this episode.

[Mara]

I'm seeing a trend towards Irish villains in prime time. Apparently, it's still PC to mock the Irish.

Which brings us to the last Better Off Ted.


Ted: And listen. The Germans are all worried because, ironically, they think that Veridian is ruthlessly efficient and bent on world domination.

Phil: Wow. That's like when those Irish auditors thought our accounting department drank too much and wrote overly depressing poetry.

[Ezee E]

I saw every episode of Oz. Its first two seasons are so great that I kept on hoping it'd return to that, but it continued to get worse and worse, until nearly being laughable. A few good last episodes though.

[[ETM]]

I'm seeing a trend towards Irish villains in prime time. Apparently, it's still PC to mock the Irish.

There was a running joke in this episode of Leverage where the Irish loan-shark's henchmen were called "Liam" and "Liam's brother".

[EvilShoe]

I saw every episode of Oz. Its first two seasons are so great that I kept on hoping it'd return to that, but it continued to get worse and worse, until nearly being laughable. A few good last episodes though.
The first season is the only one I'd actually call great.
S01>S04 (first half)>S02>S03>S04 (second half)

Season 4 spoiler:
Once they kill off Adebisi, it's kinda downhill.

[Ezee E]

The second half of season four is where all the awfulness truly begins.

Anyway, Mad Men, I'm going to assume that the writers get over their little smirks about how technology has improved. "It's not like we have a magical machine that makes copies." There's a few of these each episode. And it's directed in a strange way as if a laugh track should follow it. I hope that goes away. Otherwise, enjoying it.

[dreamdead]

Anyway, Mad Men, I'm going to assume that the writers get over their little smirks about how technology has improved. "It's not like we have a magical machine that makes copies." There's a few of these each episode. And it's directed in a strange way as if a laugh track should follow it. I hope that goes away. Otherwise, enjoying it.

thefourthwall and I just worked through the first season of Mad Men. That kind of running joke lingers a bit later in the season, but it becomes more of a residue than something that they hold for a beat too long, as they do early in the season. Because she so seldom is stuck with those asides, Peggy gets our interest, even as Draper becomes more interesting in the later episodes (though they perhaps gave too much backstory too early into the series... we'll see).

[Mara]

Admittedly, this season (3) was the first when I would say I actively enjoyed the show, but still, I don't really get the Draper lovers. I mean, people are totally into him. And I think he's a bastard. A fascinating, well-acted, compelling bastard, but I can't say that I'm on his side.

Jon Hamm is a handsome devil, which accounts for some of it.

But I watch for Peggy, and Joan, and (to a lesser extent) Harry and Sal.

EDIT: I should mention that I really started liking Roger this last season (he used to be Bastard Numero Dos) and even Pete (who used to be Bastard Numbero Tres.)

[[ETM]]

Yeah, it's like the characters keep getting more real as the writers get more comfortable with the 60's setting and it becomes natural, and not a gimmick like in S1. When they don't point it out, we don't feel like it's fed to us, but we still see it for what it is. When it becomes effortless, it becomes real, and indeed - season 3 was insanely good.

[MadMan]

Damn, I forgot Human Target was on last night. Which means already the show is not viewed as all that important in my mind, or that perhaps I'm not used to watching TV on that night anymore ever since they moved Lost.

[[ETM]]

I'm already watching too many shows, I don't know how I'll manage when LOST etc. come back.

MadMan, see Human Target, it was a really fun episode.

Plus, I really like the opening credits with Bear McCreary's music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJ0UEYdcFo

[Mara]

Watching Star Trek is interesting because you don't realize how often it is referenced and mimicked until you see the original. The episode I'm watching right now has direct offspring in both Buffy and Serenity. I kind of wish I'd been keeping notes, because I know I've noticed a half-dozen other shows that referenced plot lines from Star Trek.

[Mara]

Transfer complaint about the women in Star Trek being stupid, with bad wigs, who cry a lot.

I'm also getting annoyed by the recurring plot device where a man bats his eyes at a transient female character, and despite whatever important-sounding job she has (anthropologist, doctor, lawyer), the light gets fuzzy, the music swells, and she turns into a babbling idiot that will turn on her friends and obligations for him, either for good or for evil.

[Mara]

There's also a bit where Kirk complains about his female officers falling in love and getting married, because then he "loses an officer." We're talking about marrying other men on the same ship, by the way. I assume that the women... stay home once they get married? And if so, where the crap is home? Do they ship the women planetside? If they ship the married women off for being married, what's the point of getting married? Unless you hate the woman and want to get away from her, and then you could marry her and she would conveniently go away.

But that doesn't make any sense, so I guess they'd have to keep the women on board but not permit them to work. That's logical enough. In opposite world.

[MadMan]

Will do, ETM. I hope the latest episode is on Fox's website.

And Mara, it was the 60s. Funny enough the original Star Trek is considered somewhat progressive for its time and age. Applying logic to a sci-fi show made on a limited budget probably isn't the best idea :lol:

[Mara]

And Mara, it was the 60s. Funny enough the original Star Trek is considered somewhat progressive for its time and age. Applying logic to a sci-fi show made on a limited budget probably isn't the best idea :lol:

That's what's so odd. In some ways it is very progressive, with some of the politics and philosophies and race relations. And I feel like it thinks it IS progressive in regards to women. For instance, in an episode when they encounter a pilot from the 60's, he's shocked that there are women on the ship. Kirk pats himself on the back and sends her to fetch coffee.

There was a recent set that was supposed to be modern and clean-looking, and I swear they were fighting aliens in freaking Sterling Cooper. It's a mind trip.

[number8]

One of my favorite things about women in TOS is how whenever the Enterprise is in danger, some random female crew would run frightened into Kirk's embrace. I think it's supposed to show Kirk as an affectionate, caring captain or something.

[Sycophant]

wow you guys sure are touchy when it comes to television

If I weren't, I'd be doing it wrong.

[[ETM]]

Well, the most popular radio talk show host in the US still claims that "Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society.", so I don't think Star Trek can be faulted with anything in the sixties.

[Saya]

Seriously.

You're buying into it earlier than I did. (Some posters were VERY PERSISTENT in keeping me watching it into the late second season, when it really started to get intriguing.)

EDIT: Season four will blow your mind. No joke.

Finished season 4 last night and, wow, that was a damn good season.

I have all the available episodes from season 5 ready to go. Can't wait.

Castiel is awesome. And I'm glad to finally see Ruby gone. I liked the character, but I couldn't stand that actress playing Ruby in season 4. That blonde girl from season 3 was much better. I also like how they refer to some of the fanfic in the show.

[Mara]

Finished season 4 last night and, wow, that was a damn good season.

We are slowly taking over. Mwahahahaha!

So far, I'm admiring season 5, but it's a bit tough to watch. (It's a Buffy Season Six problem. I don't know how else to put it.) Still, some amazing episodes, and I'm curious to see where it goes.

Haaaated brunette Ruby. Hated Sam with Ruby. Hated the whole Ruby issue.