Match Cut Madness 2: Best of the 90s

[Dukefrukem]

Even though Fargo was the champ in Filmspotting's tourney, I bet you 50 MC rolls with Lebowski.

I will do everything in my power to make sure that isn't the case.

[DFA1979]

Fargo is the better of the two. Also I think I have a Coens Brothers related unpopular opinions post based on this discussion.

[Mal]

Pulp Fiction vs. Three Colors: Blue
Out of Sight vs. Saving Private Ryan
Toy Story vs. The Sixth Sense
Schindler’s List vs. The Iron Giant
Fight Club vs. Safe
Barton Fink vs. Leon: The Professional
Chungking Express vs. Lost Highway
Jackie Brown vs. Princess Mononoke
The Silence of the Lambs vs. Close-Up (X)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day vs. The Lion King
Heat vs. JFK
Dazed and Confused vs. Basic Instinct
Boogie Nights vs. La Haine (X)
Malcolm X vs. Contact (X)
The Big Lebowski vs. The Truman Show
Groundhog Day vs. Titanic
Goodfellas vs. There’s Something About Mary
Miller’s Crossing vs. Jurassic Park
Magnolia vs. All About My Mother
Being John Malkovich vs. Office Space
Unforgiven vs. Three Kings
Trainspotting vs. The Nightmare Before Christmas
The Matrix vs. The Blair Witch Project
Hoop Dreams vs. The Thin Red Line
Fargo vs. Dead Man
L. A. Confidential vs. Run Lola Run
Before Sunrise vs. The Piano
Eyes Wide Shut vs. Three Colors: Red
Rushmore vs. The Sweet Hereafter
The Shawshank Redemption vs The Usual Suspects
Reservoir Dogs vs. Ed Wood
Seven vs. Scream

[Yxklyx]

Fargo is the better of the two. Also I think I have a Coens Brothers related unpopular opinions post based on this discussion.

I love Dead Man and would vote for it against half the films here, but not against Fargo.

[transmogrifier]

Dead Man >> Fargo. That's just the way it is.

[Mal]

Dead Man suuuucks (talkin’ smack, yes I am!)

[Ivan Drago]

Out of Sight vs. Saving Private Ryan
Schindler’s List vs. The Iron Giant
Barton Fink vs. Leon: The Professional
Jackie Brown vs. Princess Mononoke
Terminator 2: Judgment Day vs. The Lion King
Malcolm X vs. Contact
The Big Lebowski vs. The Truman Show
Magnolia vs. All About My Mother
Being John Malkovich vs. Office Space
Trainspotting vs. The Nightmare Before Christmas
The Matrix vs. The Blair Witch Project
Hoop Dreams vs. The Thin Red Line
Fargo vs. Dead Man
Before Sunrise vs. The Piano
Reservoir Dogs vs. Ed Wood
Seven vs. Scream

[Idioteque Stalker]

Neither Dead Man nor Fargo are my favorite from their respective directors, but I gotta support my main man Jim Jarmusch. Plus, Coens have four movies in this tournament. They'll be fine.

[transmogrifier]

Dead Man suuuucks (talkin’ smack, yes I am!)

"Every night and every morn, some to misery are born."

[StuSmallz]

Of course it's possible to rationalize this seeming contradiction, but I believe my point about the character being thinly conceived still stands.

Eh, I don't know about that. I also don't know how Vincent insisting on a "please" from The Wolf in "The Bonnie Situation" is evidence of an inconsistent characterization on his part either; could you elaborate any?

[baby doll]

Eh, I don't know about that. I also don't know how Vincent insisting on a "please" from The Wolf in "The Bonnie Situation" is evidence of an inconsistent characterization on his part either; could you elaborate any?

It doesn't really seem to gel with any other aspect of his character; it feels like Tarantino included it because he thought it would make for a funny scene.

[Irish]

It doesn't really seem to gel with any other aspect of his character; it feels like Tarantino included it because he thought it would make for a funny scene.

I agree Vincent is a thin character, but not about this detail. It's entirely within his character, because Vincent is a pain in the ass with a chip on his shoulder.

Vincent is the low man on the Marcellus Wallace totem pole and takes everything too personally. He's defensive and sullen when Paul and Jules kid him about Mia in the bar, then immediately starts shit with Butch for no reason ("You looking at something, friend?" "I'm not your friend, palooka.") He has no social grace in casual settings, like at Lance's suburban dopehouse ("Which one's Trudy? The one with all the shit in her face?" "No, that's Jody. That's my wife."). He's also opinionated at the worst times, as when Jules gives Honey Bunny and Pumpkin the money out of his own wallet ("Jules, you give this fucking nimrod $1,500, I'll shoot him on general principle").

So when he should be humble in front of Mr Wolf because Wolf is saving his ass, he's not. Instead, he talks back, and in the same way he does to everybody else, no matter who they are.

Vincent is a consistently a dickhead. He's thin because that's all he ever is, just like the conception behind Jules (as I think you noted before) can be entirely summed up by that "bad motherfucker" wallet.

[StuSmallz]

It doesn't really seem to gel with any other aspect of his character; it feels like Tarantino included it because he thought it would make for a funny scene.

I don't see how, because it's essentially 100% true to Vincent's overall character based off of the way he's portrayed throughout the rest of Pulp. I mean, think about it; what do we know about Vincent's general persona? We know that he tends to be laid-back (as seen when he just hangs back and lets Jules do all the talking in the apartment scene, and why his drug of choice just so happens to be a depressant), he's often inconsiderate to others (as seen early on in his lack of empathy for "Tony Rocky Horror" when he says "You play with matches, you get burned"), and he tends to be either hostile to, or at the very least, uncomfortable around strangers (as is noticable in the early part of his date with Mia). So, taking all of that into account, why would it be inconsistent for him, this laid-back, inconsiderate individual who's uncomfortable around strangers to inappropriately ask for The Wolf (a man he's never met before) for a "please" when the guy starts brusquely ordering him around? Plus, part of the point of that scene is to demonstrate his refusal to change for the better in light of the second chance that life (or God, or whatever other force you want to ascribe it to) has given him, as opposed to Jules, which is the reason why one of them gets killed "later" on, and the other lives to wander the earth as a man of peace, you know?

[StuSmallz]

I agree Vincent is a thin character, but not about this detail. It's entirely within his character, because Vincent is a pain in the ass with a chip on his shoulder.

Vincent is the low man on the Marcellus Wallace totem pole and takes everything too personally. He's defensive and sullen when Paul and Jules kid him about Mia in the bar, then immediately starts shit with Butch for no reason ("You looking at something, friend?" "I'm not your friend, palooka.") He has no social grace in casual settings, like at Lance's suburban dopehouse ("Which one's Trudy? The one with all the shit in her face?" "No, that's Jody. That's my wife."). He's also opinionated at the worst times, as when Jules gives Honey Bunny and Pumpkin the money out of his own wallet ("Jules, you give this fucking nimrod $1,500, I'll shoot him on general principle").

So when he should be humble in front of Mr Wolf because Wolf is saving his ass, he's not. Instead, he talks back, and in the same way he does to everybody else, no matter who they are.

Vincent is a consistently a dickhead. He's thin because that's all he ever is, just like the conception behind Jules (as I think you noted before) can be entirely summed up by that "bad motherfucker" wallet.

Good points, man.

[Dukefrukem]

I agree Vincent is a thin character, but not about this detail. It's entirely within his character, because Vincent is a pain in the ass with a chip on his shoulder.

Vincent is the low man on the Marcellus Wallace totem pole and takes everything too personally. He's defensive and sullen when Paul and Jules kid him about Mia in the bar, then immediately starts shit with Butch for no reason ("You looking at something, friend?" "I'm not your friend, palooka.") He has no social grace in casual settings, like at Lance's suburban dopehouse ("Which one's Trudy? The one with all the shit in her face?" "No, that's Jody. That's my wife."). He's also opinionated at the worst times, as when Jules gives Honey Bunny and Pumpkin the money out of his own wallet ("Jules, you give this fucking nimrod $1,500, I'll shoot him on general principle").

So when he should be humble in front of Mr Wolf because Wolf is saving his ass, he's not. Instead, he talks back, and in the same way he does to everybody else, no matter who they are.

Vincent is a consistently a dickhead. He's thin because that's all he ever is, just like the conception behind Jules (as I think you noted before) can be entirely summed up by that "bad motherfucker" wallet.

He's also bad at his job. Which is shown twice.

[Mr. McGibblets]

There are a lot more of these (than 80s films) that I haven't seen or haven't seen in 20 years.

Pulp Fiction vs. Three Colors: Blue
Out of Sight vs. Saving Private Ryan
Toy Story vs. The Sixth Sense
Schindler’s List vs. The Iron Giant
Fight Club vs. Safe (I have not seen safe, but would like to vote against Fight Club anyway)
Barton Fink vs. Leon: The Professional
Chungking Express vs. Lost Highway
Jackie Brown vs. Princess Mononoke
The Silence of the Lambs vs. Close-Up
Terminator 2: Judgment Day vs. The Lion King
Heat vs. JFK
Dazed and Confused vs. Basic Instinct
Boogie Nights vs. La Haine
Malcolm X vs. Contact
The Big Lebowski vs. The Truman Show
Groundhog Day vs. Titanic
Goodfellas vs. There’s Something About Mary
Miller’s Crossing vs. Jurassic Park
Magnolia vs. All About My Mother
Being John Malkovich vs. Office Space
Unforgiven vs. Three Kings
Trainspotting vs. The Nightmare Before Christmas
The Matrix vs. The Blair Witch Project
Hoop Dreams vs. The Thin Red Line
Fargo vs. Dead Man
L. A. Confidential vs. Run Lola Run
Before Sunrise vs. The Piano
Eyes Wide Shut vs. Three Colors: Red
Rushmore vs. The Sweet Hereafter
The Shawshank Redemption vs The Usual Suspects
Reservoir Dogs vs. Ed Wood
Seven vs. Scream

[Idioteque Stalker]

Goodfellas vs. There’s Something About Mary

I would call you a monster, but at this point a vote for Mary registers as compassion.

[Idioteque Stalker]

With 48 hours left in Round One, we have three ties:

The Silence of the Lambs vs. Close-Up
Dazed and Confused vs. Basic Instinct
Hoop Dreams vs. The Thin Red Line

If you've been thinking about voting and have a preference in these match-ups (or any others), now would be a great time to vote by posting in this thread or sending me a PM.

[Yxklyx]

I'll watch Basic Instinct tonight...

[Mal]

I should watch Close-Up and La Haine tonight.

[Idioteque Stalker]

My guess is Mal had a better overall time but Yxklyx had more fun.

[Irish]

It doesn't really seem to gel with any other aspect of his character; it feels like Tarantino included it because he thought it would make for a funny scene.

Having just watched the film again (mostly due to this conversation), I'm gonna reverse myself and agree with you.

Vincent didn't strike me as cantankerous as I thought he was, and Travolta's delivery in this scene feels forced. I think that's due to the weakness in the writing. The dialogue lacks energy, the violence is too grisly, and there's only a small amount dramatic tension. (A ticking clock, which Tarantino undercuts by having Mr Wolf express confidence they can clean the car before Bonnie returns home.)

[Mal]

My guess is Mal had a better overall time but Yxklyx had more fun.

My internet buffered 20 minutes into La Haine and I fell asleep.

[Yxklyx]

Dazed and Confused vs. Basic Instinct - edit to my original post

[Idioteque Stalker]

Dazed and Confused vs. Basic Instinct - edit to my original post

Recency bias!