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    I was very fortunate to catch a movie I'd always heard about but had never had a chance to see. It's called Obras Maestras del Terror (Masterworks of Horror) and it's one of the few memorable Argentine Horror films, from 1960, and starring a mythic Spanish Horror actor, Narciso Ibáñez Menta - whose son directed the awesome Who Can Kill a Child?. What makes this film even more unique is that it adapts three Edgar Allan Poe tales (The Facts in the Case of Mr. Valdemar / The Cask of Amontillado / The Tell-Tale Heart) some years before those kind of portmanteau movies became an international staple.

    Now, all this I knew before actually watching the movie, but what I didn't know was how good it actually was. For one thing, Ibáñez Menta is a much more serious actor than Vincent Price and he projects menace without overacting a bit, creating three completely different characters for this movie. The framing sequence is a bit silly - a maid waits for house guests in an old house during a storm, finds a book of Poe stories. From there on, the scripts for the three stories show not only respect for the source material but unexpected intelligence in creating a meaningful background for the short stories that actually adds unexpected layers to them.



    For example, I thought it was brilliant how, in The Tell-Tale Heart, the victim of the crime is a watchmaker, so that when the murderer hears his heart beating, it mirrors the constant tic-tac sound that resonates throughout the house in the entire short. That famous literary sequence of suspense is heightened on screen by a delirious, in crescendo visual montage and by several jump cuts - a technique that, as far as I know, was "invented" by Godard in Breathless this very same year. The Corman Poe films are charming Gothic extravaganzas, but they never even aimed for that kind of visual poetry and innovation. Like those films, this one is clearly a low-budget movie, but with a lot more finesse involved and much better performances.

    Really, I couldn't be more surprised and happy at how good this cult film actually is. It has become my favorite Poe adaptation, and it has made me want to see Ibáñez Menta in all his other Horror performances. It's a relatively famous film, yet the DVD is a recording of a projection of film that has seen better days. I'm not sure, but I don't think this film has ever gone through a proper restoration process, which is very sad and shows how sloppy Argentina's governments have been with its cultural riches. It should be restored and distributed worldwide so that it can claim a proper spot in the history of Horror cinema.


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    I freaking love Bava. So, so much.
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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    I freaking love Bava. So, so much.
    Black Sabbath is amazing, probably one of his most undervalued efforts. Heck, I'd take it over Black Sunday almost any day.
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    Quote Quoting Rowland (view post)
    Black Sabbath is amazing, probably one of his most undervalued efforts. Heck, I'd take it over Black Sunday almost any day.

    Not me, but I do love it.

    Black Sunday - 10
    Black Sabbath - 9
    Blood and Black Lace - 9
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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Baron Blood - 7.5
    Wow, that's unexpected. I'd say Baron Blood is eaaasily the worst I've seen by him.

    Black Sunday - 6.5
    Black Sabbath - 9.0
    The Whip and the Body - 7.0
    Blood and Black Lace - 8.0
    Kill, Baby... Kill! - 8.5
    Danger: Diabolik - 8.0
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    Hatchet for the Honeymoon - 7.5
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    Baron Blood - 4.0
    Lisa and the Devil - 8.0
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    Black Sunday - 8
    Black Sabbath - 7 (7 + 5 + 9 / 3)
    Blood and Black Lace - 7.5
    Planet of the Vampires - 5
    Kill, Baby... Kill! - 6.5
    Danger: Diabolik - 7.5
    Hatchet for the Honeymoon - 7.5
    Bay of Blood - 6.5
    Shock II - 4.5

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    Quote Quoting Rowland (view post)
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    Quote Quoting Rowland
    Black Sunday - 6.5

    Wow, that's unexpected. I'd say Baron Blood is eaaasily the worst I've seen by him.

    Same to you! Black Sunday is, to me, easily Bava's best. One of the best horror films of all time.
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    Black Sunday - 9/10
    Black Sabbath - 7/10
    Hatchet for the Honeymoon - 7/10
    Shock - 7/10
    Blood and Black Lace - 6/10
    Bay of Blood - 6/10
    Lisa and the Devil - 6/10
    Baron Blood - 5/10
    Whip and the Body - 5/10
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    Black Sunday - 6.0
    Blood & Black Lace - 7.0
    Kill Baby...Kill - 7.5

    Really wanna see more from him. I'll check out Black Sabbath and Danger: Diabolik next.

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    Quote Quoting Derek (view post)
    Black Sunday - 6.0
    Blood & Black Lace - 7.0
    Kill Baby...Kill - 7.5

    Really wanna see more from him. I'll check out Black Sabbath and Danger: Diabolik next.

    Danger: Diabolik! was one of my big college "hanging out with the guys" movies.

    On the surface, it's a so-bad-it's-hilarious spy movie. Like if the people behind the Adam West "Batman" TV show were to make a Bond movie.

    And it's also a great time capsule of '60s culture and politics.
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    Plus there aren't many other movies where a master thief steals millions of dollars just so he and his girlfriend can spread it all over their bed and have sex on it.

    Or where a line like this is uttered: "With this suit, I could swim through the center of the sun!"
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    Bava that I've viewed:

    *Black Sunday (1960)-81
    *Blood and Black Lace (1964)-90
    *Planet of the Vampires (1965)-71
    *Kill Baby, Kill! (1966)-75

    Right now I have The Girl Who Knew Too Much on hand, and I only made it through the first segment of Black Sabbath-but I enjoyed it. Eventually I'll get to some of his other movies as well, as I've liked all that he's done so far. Planet of the Vampires, which inspired Scott's Alien, is probably my favorite of his.
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    Quote Quoting MadMan (view post)
    The Girl Who Knew Too Much
    Oh yeah, I forgot that I've seen this one as well. I'd give it a 7.5.
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    Kill, Baby... Kill! [9.5]
    Blood and Black Lace [8.5]
    The Whip and the Body [8.0]
    Black Sunday [7.5]
    Danger: Diabolik [7.5]
    Black Sabbath [7.0]
    Planet of the Vampires [6.5]
    Bay of Blood [6.0]
    Baron Blood [4.5]
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    Oh my god Shocker is a piece of shit.
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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Oh my god Shocker is a piece of shit.
    Bwahahaha!

    You have to admit, there's something amazing about the villain chasing the hero through different channels. It's like fucking Looney Tunes or something.

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    Quote Quoting Dead & Messed Up (view post)
    You have to admit, there's something amazing about the villain chasing the hero through different channels. It's like fucking Looney Tunes or something.
    Sounds like that shitty early '90s comedy with John Ritter, Jeffery Jones, and Eugene Levy, where the parents are zapped into the television from Hell or something, directed by uber-hackmeister Peter Hyams if I recall correctly.
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    I rather enjoyed Shocker to be honest with you. Yeah, it's pretty damn silly and shoddy, it's still pretty entertaining and occasionally interesting. At least Craven makes sure to succeed or fail epically, which this movie does both.
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    Quote Quoting Rowland (view post)
    Sounds like that shitty early '90s comedy with John Ritter, Jeffery Jones, and Eugene Levy, where the parents are zapped into the television from Hell or something, directed by uber-hackmeister Peter Hyams if I recall correctly.
    Yeah, I remember seeing promos for Stay Tuned as a child and thinking, "Huh?"

    Side-question: who's a bigger hack? Peter Hyams or Steve Miner?

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    Just watched Dead Snow. Nothing very distinct, apart from a few effective shots, and the director's uncommon interest in yanking intestines. The best moments crib from better zombie films, and the characters' density isn't tempered by much of any personality. The film also gives little thought to the geography of the story - one minute a character falls off a cliff far from the main setting, and the next she's right back at the cabin.

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    Dead Snow was one of the most disappointing horror films I saw last year.

    I had expected so much fun from it. I figured it would be bad, but fun bad, you know?

    No...it was just bad. Boring, poorly paced, poorly written crap.
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    Quote Quoting Dead & Messed Up (view post)
    Yeah, I remember seeing promos for Stay Tuned as a child and thinking, "Huh?"
    Oh, don't get me wrong, it's a ripe concept for satiric comedy, that movie was just terrible.
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    I rather enjoyed Shocker to be honest with you. Yeah, it's pretty damn silly and shoddy, it's still pretty entertaining and occasionally interesting. At least Craven makes sure to succeed or fail epically, which this movie does both.
    Yeah, Shocker rates pretty low, but I think back on it with fondness. How committed to randomness could Craven get? A ghost girlfriend and the entire high school football team serving as deus ex machina devices? Why?
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    Quote Quoting Rowland (view post)
    Oh, don't get me wrong, it's a ripe concept for satiric comedy, that movie was just terrible.
    Stay Tuned is fuckin awesome. I must have watched that movie 50 times as a kid.
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