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    Quote Quoting Watashi (view post)
    I mean, LOST was famous for doing it.
    That's what I get for never watching LOST.
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    Yeah I'd say most people associate that with LOST. It was a huge moment for the series when they did it.
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    Atmospheric and obviously well made, yes... but beyond that it didn't do much for me. And the ending, extra cheesy with a side of corn.

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    I don't understand this movie. I believe it makes sense, and I have vague theories, but I don't quite get it. The ending is sort of meh. One of the most pivotal moments in human history and the Renner character all but [
    ] I'm missing something. Has to be.
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    Hmmm... Is there anything the movie doesn't explicitly spell out, though? I'm not sure if there's a non-condescending way to ask if maybe reading the Wikipedia summary might help.

    Unless you mean you're missing something with emotional investment or "wow" factor people have had with it, which I can only understand in theory, since it honestly hit me to the point of tears both times I saw it, and even more the second.

    All I can say is for me, the movie is about [
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    And in that unexpected design, I can't imagine there not being enough to be impressed with alone, but then again, it just really, really worked for me.
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    Quote Quoting Henry Gale (view post)
    Hmmm... Is there anything the movie doesn't explicitly spell out, though? I'm not sure if there's a non-condescending way to ask if maybe reading the Wikipedia summary might help.

    Unless you mean you're missing something with emotional investment or "wow" factor people have had with it, which I can only understand in theory, since it honestly hit me to the point of tears both times I saw it, and even more the second.

    All I can say is for me, the movie is about [
    ]

    And in that unexpected design, I can't imagine there not being enough to be impressed with alone, but then again, it just really, really worked for me.
    No it's okay. Appreciate the feedback. By the end of the movie I kept thinking that Ian Donnelly is actually [
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    Quote Quoting Morris Schæffer (view post)
    No it's okay. Appreciate the feedback. By the end of the movie I kept thinking that Ian Donnelly is actually [
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    Thanks Lazlo. let me think about that.
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    I don't understand this movie. I believe it makes sense
    I don't. It treats time paradoxes so unthinkingly. I've rarely seen so much hand-waving attempt to explain a fundamentally incoherent premise.

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    Quote Quoting Weems (view post)
    I don't. It treats time paradoxes so unthinkingly. I've rarely seen so much hand-waving attempt to explain a fundamentally incoherent premise.
    I'm still inclined to agree with you. The reason I said it made sense is because I suppose I felt I could give the director the benefit of the doubt, that further thinking or another viewing would open my eyes.

    Still, at this point I still don't understand how someone could say that it's all spelled out. This is not a knock against Henry Gale, I believe he means it, but all I "get" is a vague understanding of proceedings.

    For example, I'm unable to explain how it is possible that the movie begins with [
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    [
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    But at least I'm talking and thinking about this movie, which I cannot say about Independence Day: Resurgence.
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    By the way, the aliens look like upright standing and giant facehuggers, their "ships" when titled horizontally resemble the saucers from the first Independence Day, and the Stuhlbarg character is called Halpern which is the female lead in Michael Crichton's Sphere, a sorta, kinda similar experience and was eventually played by Sharon Stone in an inferior movie.
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    Quote Quoting Morris Schæffer (view post)
    For example, I'm unable to explain how it is possible that the movie begins with [
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    This really isn't as complicated as you seem to think it is. You thought you were seeing flashbacks, but they're actually flashforwards. The movie's scenes aren't in chronological order.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    Quote Quoting number8 (view post)
    This really isn't as complicated as you seem to think it is. You thought you were seeing flashbacks, but they're actually flashforwards. The movie's scenes aren't in chronological order.
    Ok, but I assumed all the time trickery going on was a direct result of [
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    I still don't understand the "gift" the aliens bring down to earth.
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    I don't know how else to say this: the movie is not presented in a chronological order. The movie ends with them as a family together because it takes place in her life years before the scene at the beginning of the movie where the daughter dies.

    The gift is their language. The language allows you to see your whole life, past present and future, all at once.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    That, and we don't see why or how we'll be helping them in the future. It might even be hundreds of years if I recall.

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    Also, watching a second time, knowing it's a flash-forward, makes it all the more sad.

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    Ok guys, I'm getting there. I think I know enough. Will revisit this once it hits blu-ray.
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    One more thing. Since the movie starts with a [
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    Sorry, never mind. [
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    Last edited by Morris Schæffer; 12-11-2016 at 11:58 AM.
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    Quote Quoting Morris Schæffer (view post)
    Sorry, never mind. [
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    Yes.

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    The movie also starts with her voiceover narration talking about her memories of things. So you can argue that what we're seeing is a narrative of the events of her life as told through her perception of it if you want to be literal about it.

    But mostly it's just film language.
    Quote Quoting Donald Glover
    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    I do feel like the whole thing with the Chinese military guy's wife's dying words was a paradox that can't be explained away by the alien's language. That said, I still thought the movie was fantastic. Reminded me of a few of my favourite sci-fi novels.

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    Quote Quoting Winston* (view post)
    I do feel like the whole thing with the Chinese military guy's wife's dying words was a paradox that can't be explained away by the alien's language.
    The whole thing follows a consistent bootstrap paradox, but it's definitely done out of convenience. What I didn't like about the third act is that Villeneuve tried to have this ludicrous race-against-the-clock to stop a world war tension building, after it's already established that it's playing by closed-loop rules. What's the point? That's a directorial misstep there.
    Quote Quoting Donald Glover
    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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