Random Thoughts

[Dukefrukem]

Why would someone as famous as Jennifer Lawrence take a selfie of her asshole with her smart phone?

LOL She did what now? News to me.

[megladon8]

I'm with 8 on this one. Whether it's a cloud hack or a phone hack, assigning any blame at all to the victims is pretty gross.

I can see the point that is being made, but whether it's a phone or a cloud hack, someone actively broke in, found personal content and chose to publicize it.

That is disgusting. The thief is the only one in the wrong here and I'm surprised anyone would argue otherwise.

[Pop Trash]

LOL She did what now? News to me.

Not really news. It's just in the giant batch of leaked photos that I um...accidentally looked at. Yeah.

[Pop Trash]

That is disgusting. The thief is the only one in the wrong here and I'm surprised anyone would argue otherwise.

The thief is clearly a douche and is a douche that will mostly likely be found by the FBI and thoroughly prosecuted, that said, if you are America's It Girl, perhaps try not to document your butthole and semen laden face with your own smart phone. Just a thought.

I think celebrities live in their own bubble with lots of money, lots of Yes Wo/men, lots of vacation time between movies to spend that money, lots of down time in hotels with too much booze, so on and so forth.

[megladon8]

Well since celebrities are rich and have lots of free time, of course they totally deserve this!

[Spinal]

Why would someone as famous as Jennifer Lawrence take a selfie of her asshole with her smart phone?

The 'why' is irrelevant. Not really sure why we need to ask the question.

[Pop Trash]

Well since celebrities are rich and have lots of free time, of course they totally deserve this!

Yup that's exactly what I said. Thanks Meg.

[Spinal]

Why do we as a culture continue to humor Kanye West?

'I called Jay Pharoah right after the MTV awards,' Kim Kardashian’s husband told the audience while on stage at the Made In America festival in Philadelphia on Saturday night.
'I said, "I appreciate your show, but let me tell you about my story. Let me tell you about what I went through to get to that position," he recalled.
'So we ain't gonna have no black comedians going onstage spoofing the people that's working hard, and helping the next man out.'

Not a good human being.

[Pop Trash]

The 'why' is irrelevant. Not really sure why we need to ask the question.

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I question the need for we as a society to document everything and be surprised if/when our documents are made public. That's all.

[Spinal]

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I question the need for we as a society to document everything and be surprised if/when our documents are made public. That's all.

I doubt it was a document. Probably just something she did to turn someone on that she liked. No big mystery there. Or maybe she was on location and couldn't get in to see her preferred health care provider.

[Pop Trash]

I doubt it was a document. Probably just something she did to turn someone on that she liked. No big mystery there. Or maybe she was on location and couldn't get in to see her preferred health care provider.

:lol:

Never change Spinal.

[number8]

I find KF's analogy to be the false equivalency. How is doing something in private anything like flaunting your expensive device on your porch for all to see? Did any of these people taunt anyone to find their private photos? Anything you do and share in private, including on cloud storage, is "behind closed doors." Of course it's not completely secure, but we put many of our possessions in various degrees of risk every day.

Is the fact that the photos are sexual clouding you guys' feelings on what's happened here? If they are intimate of a different nature, would we have similar questions and discussion? Say if someone hacks into Facebook and makes private conversations public. Would people even be asking "What's she doing writing all those words down?" When it comes down to it, there's a criticism of modesty at play here, and that's what I find inappropriate.

[Pop Trash]

They're famous. Their entire life is a taunt to some people. Sucks but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

[EyesWideOpen]

They're famous. Their entire life is a taunt to some people. Sucks but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

That's a terrible line of reasoning.

[ledfloyd]

They're famous. Their entire life is a taunt to some people. Sucks but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

https://twitter.com/MarkHarrisNYC/st...95108469260288

Since I can't figure out how to embed tweets.

[ledfloyd]

I see where you're coming from KFan, but I just can't agree.

I have a kayak leaning up against the back side of my house (and it has been for a few years). If the kayak disappears, it's not because I was stupid to leave my kayak outside. It's because an asshole stole my kayak.

[ledfloyd]

Is the fact that the photos are sexual clouding you guys' feelings on what's happened here? If they are intimate of a different nature, would we have similar questions and discussion? Say if someone hacks into Facebook and makes private conversations public. Would people even be asking "What's she doing writing all those words down?" When it comes down to it, there's a criticism of modesty at play here, and that's what I find inappropriate.

Not to keep posting, but I just got home and I'm going through the thread.

This is a good point. If people had had their credit card numbers stolen via an Amazon security breach, would anyone be saying, "well, you took a risk when you decided to buy something online. You knew that was a possibility?"

[Irish]

In your analogy, that's like buying a PS4 and then leaving it on your screened in porch every night, with a cheap hook lock on the door. At that point you'd be scratching your head, asking the person why the hell they left the system on their porch at night.

If you can read this and understand it then you can make screen door analogies:

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2014/09/...-being-leaked/

This wasn't some cheap, fly-by-night service. It was Apple's iCloud. The hackers used a different API from a different app to get access to the accounts. There is no way for anyone to protect against this kind of attack.

Judging the celebs is like blaming the victim of identity theft because they've used online banking.

"Well, they knew the risks..."

[Dukefrukem]

Why would someone as famous as Jennifer Lawrence take a selfie of her asshole with her smart phone?

Not Jlaw. It was Bar Refaeli.

[Kurosawa Fan]

You guys are equating the value of a kayak and a PS4 to pictures and videos of yourself in the most compromising of positions. Led, if your kayak was stolen, would you be emotionally scarred? Would you feel completely violated? If so, would you leave them on the side of your house? Same thing for the PS4. People's most valuable and prized protections are put in the most secure of places. Bank vaults, safes, and security deposit boxes. They're guarded at times by armed individuals, or at the very least, put in steel boxes that are extremely difficult to steal and/or open. Yet these pictures and videos were uploaded to a place that has been compromised in the past in exactly the same way.

Irish, I understand your point. The screen door analogy was a poor image only meant to represent the difference in securing your possessions. I am not suggesting that the iCloud or the iPhone is a simple device to hack into and steal from, but it has been done before to many celebrities, some of whom I've already mentioned. That was warning enough for me when my iPhone asked if I wanted to automatically back up my images and photos to the iCloud, and I'm a nobody. My only argument there is that these men and women should have been more careful about where they put a possession that was so important to them that they didn't even want others to see them let alone be able to take them.

Most importantly though, I want to stress how again that I'm not suggesting these men and women did anything wrong. I'm suggesting they didn't put a lot of thought into their actions and that disgusting individuals took advantage of their carelessness. I'm very sorry they have to deal with the consequences.

[transmogrifier]

Why do we as a culture continue to humor Kanye West?

My answer: Because his last two albums are fantastic.

[ledfloyd]

Led, if your kayak was stolen, would you be emotionally scarred? Would you feel completely violated? If so, would you leave them on the side of your house?

This is fair. I still think the online banking/Amazon credit card example is a good analogue. Most of us trust equally sensitive data to equally vulnerable systems. The difference is people aren't overly eager to see me naked against my will (and for good reason).

I think Wats' question about why people get excited about these images when there is so much porn out there is telling. I don't think there would be this much of an uproar if J-Law had gotten naked in a movie. There is something disturbingly rapey about the whole thing, as if people are getting off on the lack of consent.

[Pop Trash]

Not Jlaw. It was Bar Refaeli.

You seem to be correct. I was getting my celebrity assholes mixed up. They all look alike I tell you!

[Pop Trash]

https://twitter.com/MarkHarrisNYC/st...95108469260288

Since I can't figure out how to embed tweets.

Ugh. That's the worst analogy ever in the history of analogies.

[MadMan]

Bring back Polaroids!

I think that's what MEW was trying to, based on what I've read.