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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    ie, there's no good way to visually dramatize a guy working at a drafting table. you can't build a scene around that as an action.
    You need to dream bigger darling. I highly doubt this will be the extent of the film's drama. Plot kinda reminds me of Miyazaki's The Wind Rises, which was about a whole hell of a lot more than the development of the Zero fighter plane.

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    Quote Quoting Idioteque Stalker (view post)
    You need to dream bigger darling. I highly doubt this will be the extent of the film's drama. Plot kinda reminds me of Miyazaki's The Wind Rises, which was about a whole hell of a lot more than the development of the Zero fighter plane.
    It's not about me dreaming bigger. It's about the medium's inherent limits.

    It's why biopics like "The Theory of Everything" and "The Imitation Game" focus on the personal lives of the people involved, and consciously avoid too many scenes of those same people standing around in front of blackboards. (It's also why they suck, bc they took something specific and interesting, ignored it, and turned everything else into generic domestic drama.)

    "The Wind Rises" is an animated fantasy, and not limited in the ways historical biographies are.

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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    It's why biopics like "The Theory of Everything" and "The Imitation Game" focus on the personal lives of the people involved, and consciously avoid too many scenes of those same people standing around in front of blackboards. (It's also why they suck, bc they took something specific and interesting, ignored it, and turned everything else into generic domestic drama.)
    I buy this, and lord knows I've steered clear of both of those movies. The difference is Nolan has a track record of making entertaining movies. In the false dichotomy you've created, I suppose I'd prefer a peek into the subject's personal life to 90 minutes of people engineering/science-ing, but we have so little to go on at the moment. Here's me dreaming big: what if it's a comedy?

    Also, The Wind Rises has some dream sequences, but it's not fantasy.

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    In the false dichotomy you've created,
    ???

    My premise is that real life scientists do not make good subjects for movies, and that's mostly because their work and their lives don't lend themselves to visual drama. Anybody who lives in their head (engineers, writers, scientists) will be an awkward fit in a visual medium.

    If scientists did make good subjects for movies, we'd have seen more and better examples in the decades of film before this one. But we really haven't.

    So I dare you to name me one movie about a [real life] scientist that's not only a good movie, but great cinema.

    (There are a couple of examples I can think of that are pretty good movies --- "The Life of Louis Pasteur", "Gorillas in the Mist" --- but they're memorable for other reasons, and not world bendingly great on the whole.)

    Here's me dreaming big: what if it's a comedy?
    I realize now you haven't understood what I've been talking about.
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    So I dare you to name me one movie about a [real life] scientist that's not only a good movie, but great cinema.
    Errol Morris' Fast, Cheap & Out of Control.
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    We saw that Dunkirk is one of the more creative approaches to a war movie in quite some time with its use of time.

    I have no doubt that Nolan will take some type of creative approach to this as well. He's not going to do a straight-forward biopic.

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    All things considered, is there a movie about this? Consider me in.
    There's an opera, Doctor Atomic (2005), which isn't good, even with John Adams' music and Gerald Finley's singing.

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    Errol Morris' Fast, Cheap & Out of Control.
    Hmmmm. Clever, but you're pushing the submitted terms ("real life scientist," "great cinema") pretty hard.

    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    We saw that Dunkirk is one of the more creative approaches to a war movie in quite some time with its use of time
    True, but Nolan has relied heavily on genre convention and set pieces in his past work.

    If this next is meant to be an adult drama, he won't have an action crutch to lean on. He also won't have the same audience.

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    I realize now you haven't understood what I've been talking about.
    I'm scared you might actually say things like this to people in real life. Not great incentive to continue this debate!

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    Irish I can't conjure any examples to debate you, but it seems like you're saying its impossible so don't try. Why not try? Its no skin off my back what Nolan or anyone does. Who knows, maybe he has some angle that will change your mind.

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    I'm scared you might actually say things like this to people in real life. Not great incentive to continue this debate!
    lol, yeah, not a great line by me. I could have softened it up a bit.

    but I do genuinely think we're talking about 2 different things --- your big dream doesn't make sense otherwise --- and as such, there isn't much point in continuing anyway.

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    Cosmos was very sciency and was a HUGE hit back in the day. There are ways to make science interesting in a visual format.
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    Nolan has a track record of making entertaining movies.
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    Cosmos was very sciency and was a HUGE hit back in the day. There are ways to make science interesting in a visual format.
    those were both non-fiction miniseries made for television... ???

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    Haven't we known this from day one?

    Not directed at you, Morris. Just meaning they made this big announcement today/yesterday, but they've been saying it since the project was first announced.
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    This is official confirmation of him as lead, since the project announcement news last month just mentioned about him being in talk/involved.
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    Ah, fair enough.
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