In Audition, when she goes "kili, kili, kili" while she's doing some cutting - well in my Spanish speaking familiy, "kili, kili, kili" is what we say when we're tickling someone.Quoting DFA1979 (view post)
In Audition, when she goes "kili, kili, kili" while she's doing some cutting - well in my Spanish speaking familiy, "kili, kili, kili" is what we say when we're tickling someone.Quoting DFA1979 (view post)
I always thought she was saying "kitty kitty kitty."
"All right, that's too hot. Anything we can do about that heat?"
"Rick...it's a flamethrower."
With regards to believability, my personal life experiences are irrelevant. After all, there are plenty of films based on true stories that are unconvincing as fictional narratives (Spielberg's Munich, for instance). The issue isn't one of accuracy but one of artistry: a film can portray commonplace events in a manner that is unconvincing or it can depict fantastical events with great persuasiveness. It all depends on the skill of the filmmakers.Quoting Skitch (view post)
Just because...
The Fabelmans (Steven Spielberg, 2022) mild
Petite maman (Céline Sciamma, 2021) mild
The Banshees of Inisherin (Martin McDonagh, 2022) mild
The last book I read was...
The Complete Short Stories by Mark Twain
The (New) World
Heh that's funny and then I'm reminded that she does her own brand of tickling oh God.Quoting Yxklyx (view post)
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Trying to measure the progressiveness of the trilogy by merely zeroing in on its fantasy setting makes little sense though, because whether the films are set on Middle Earth or not, they're still created and released 100% on our Earth, by people who (male or female) are all products of a historically sexist society, so the actual relevant question is, how progressive is the trilogy's depiction of women when compared to other movies produced by the same overall culture up to that point? I would argue very, because, while "women of action" weren't unheard of in movies around the turn of the millennium, the prevailing trend of that time was still to sexually objectify them at the same time, giving off the illusion of empowering these women while still exploiting them for the viewing pleasure of the heterosexual men those movies were targeted at, having their (cheese)cake and eating it too, whether you're talking about Charlie's Angels, The Fast & The Furious, or Tomb Raider...Quoting baby doll (view post)
...so LOTR's depiction of women still holds up much better, not just when compared to those examples, but also just on their own merits at the same time. Besides that, how do the women of the trilogy gain assertiveness at the expense of sexual expression? They weren't particularly sexual in the books in the first place (although this wasn't some double standard on Tolkien's part, since the male characters weren't different in that regard), nor should they have been changed to be so for the movies, and doing so would probably have been a bad idea, since it would in all likelihood have clashed with the fundamental tone of that world, like the unnecessary jump scare in Fellowship when Bilbo grabbed for the Ring off of Frodo (which was one of the few missteps Jackson made with the trilogy, IMO).
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I haven't seen Charlie's Angels, The Fast and the Furious, or Tomb Raider (although I have seen 2 Fast 2 Furious, which I liked, and I played the first two Tomb Raider video games on Sony Playstation back in the day), so I can't comment on them, but claiming that The Lord of the Rings is more progressive in terms of gender politics than other Hollywood blockbusters of the same period seems to me a very weak argument--especially since, if nothing else, Angelina Jolie is still the star of Tomb Raider, and Drew Barrymore, Cameron Diaz, and Lucy Liu are the stars of Charlie's Angels, whereas the women in The Lord of the Rings are all relegated to secondary roles. But more to the point, progressiveness is no guarantee of interestingness. One can approve of a film's politics and still find it deathly boring.Quoting StuSmallz (view post)
But even if I were to concede for the sake of argument that The Lord of the Rings is relatively progressive in its treatment of women, and that Tomb Raider and the other films you mention sexually objectify their female stars (although I've seen Jolie a lot more naked than that in other films), well, so what? In what demonstrable way has The Lord of the Rings made the world a better place for women or has Tomb Raider (or Basic Instinct) made it worse? Ultimately, films aren't the weather but the thermometer: they can reveal the ideological contradictions of the societies that produce them but they don't change anything, for better or for worse. So if Jolie wants to show off some side-boob (or more), and men--and, I suspect, a good many women, straight and gay--want to see it, what's the harm? It may not be empowering but it's hardly a crime.
As for the women of Jackson's trilogy gaining assertiveness on the battlefield at the expense of sexual expression, my point is that, insofar as the film's positive attitude toward their assertiveness represents a gain from a political standpoint, it entails a loss in other areas. To the extent that the women in The Lord of the Rings are portrayed as sexual beings, the expression of their sexuality is restricted to the confines of heterosexual monogamy (and is thus socially acceptable), whereas a femme fatale like the Sharon Stone character in Basic Instinct need not be either monogamous or strictly heterosexual. In other words, Verhoeven's film is essentially about the threat a liberated woman poses to the existing patriarchal order, while Jackson's trilogy never pushes the issue of female liberation--or any other issue--to a point of crisis. The problem with The Lord of the Rings films is that they're too respectable to be really fun.
Just because...
The Fabelmans (Steven Spielberg, 2022) mild
Petite maman (Céline Sciamma, 2021) mild
The Banshees of Inisherin (Martin McDonagh, 2022) mild
The last book I read was...
The Complete Short Stories by Mark Twain
The (New) World
I am very cool with the champ. I love the runner up, but I probably wouldn't have raised it that far.
Ditto. I'll add, of the three, these are the madness results I like most.Quoting Skitch (view post)
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Every champion so far is a masterpiece. We're definitely getting that much right so far.
I'm really proud of MC raising an animated film so high. Good job MC.
Huh I've seen all of those. Guess I shouldn't be too surprised but I am. Good batch of movies for every decade.Quoting Idioteque Stalker (view post)
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Great work Idioteque Stalker!