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    Yeah, so communist to think that if you work you should be able to survive.

    The myth of the "minimum wage burger flipper" is just that. A myth. This is not the 70s anymore. There are no "stand at a flat top grill and flip the patties every 2 minutes" job.

    People with the mindset that "you didn't need an education for this job, so you deserve to lick my boot" are scum.
    American minimum wage has not changed federally since 2010. $7.25. So, at 40 hours per week that's less than $1200.00 per month, gross. Then people are like: get more education of you want X job. Then, they say one must have experience. The most galling thing is an entry level job that requires experience. How dafuq that supposed to happen? It's almost like corporations and companies don't care... this can't be the case, obviously, because Ronald Reagan assured us otherwise three decades ago.
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    People have been convinced that paying minimum wagers fairly somehow equates to money coming out of their pockets.

    Which is BS and completely economically illiterate.

    More money for minimum wagers means they're going to spend more. Which boosts the economy. Which helps everyone.

    Then you'll get the argument "if they increase minimum wage, that will cause inflation!"

    Well guess what...inflation has been happening this whole time!

    I genuinely don't understand people who don't want others to have it good, even when it means they don't lose any of their own luxuries. Or, better yet, even if it means they get even more.

    It's selfish, greedy, and freaking gross.
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    I like the analogy of the three people standing around a plate of cookies. The upperclass person takes 9 of the 10 cookies, then looks at the middle class person and says "Look! That lower class person is trying to take that last cookie!"

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    Back to work after my weekend.

    A normal 2 day weekend feels like a blink. A week of vacation feels like a weekend.
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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    People have been convinced that paying minimum wagers fairly somehow equates to money coming out of their pockets.

    Which is BS and completely economically illiterate.

    More money for minimum wagers means they're going to spend more. Which boosts the economy. Which helps everyone.

    Then you'll get the argument "if they increase minimum wage, that will cause inflation!"

    Well guess what...inflation has been happening this whole time!

    I genuinely don't understand people who don't want others to have it good, even when it means they don't lose any of their own luxuries. Or, better yet, even if it means they get even more.

    It's selfish, greedy, and freaking gross.
    It's actually much more complicated than just 'we dont want people to have more money'.

    Even in high school I didn't make minimum wage, with zero experience. The only time I ever made minimum wage was in retail (as a second job) because it takes zero brain cells to do that job so why would it pay any higher?
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why havenít entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    It's actually much more complicated than just 'we dont want people to have more money'.

    Even in high school I didn't make minimum wage, with zero experience. The only time I ever made minimum wage was in retail (as a second job) because it takes zero brain cells to do that job so why would it pay any higher?
    You know I work in retail, right Duke?
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    And I'm not saying it should pay higher than minimum wage. I'm saying minimum wage should be higher.

    Minimum wage should scale with cost of living. Full stop.
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    These are the types of comments where I don't know if you realize how insulting and condescending you can be.

    Congrats on your education and incredible job. I'm truly happy for you.

    Why can't I have even a fraction of the things you have, when I work 50 hours a week?

    It doesn't mean anything will be taken from you. I'd just like to be able to afford to support myself.

    But since apparently my job requires zero brain cells, you think I should live like a peasant.

    Also, no it doesn't. You couldn't do my job. You'd crash and burn in a week.
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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    You know I work in retail, right Duke?
    Big difference, you're a manager. You don't make minimum wage.
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why havenít entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    These are the types of comments where I don't know if you realize how insulting and condescending you can be.

    Congrats on your education and incredible job. I'm truly happy for you.

    Why can't I have even a fraction of the things you have, when I work 50 hours a week?

    It doesn't mean anything will be taken from you. I'd just like to be able to afford to support myself.

    But since apparently my job requires zero brain cells, you think I should live like a peasant.

    Also, no it doesn't. You couldn't do my job. You'd crash and burn in a week.
    I'm talking about zero experience paying jobs. The idea you need experience to make decent money is BS. It helps, but there are jobs out there that pay well with zero experience.

    And I'm not talking about managers Meg. I'm talking about floor peasants. I've been one. I know how to deal with customers. I'd argue I know it better than you with my 2021 role. (but I won't).
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why havenít entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    I just wish you'd have a little more compassion for people lower on the totem pole, Duke.

    You have so, so much. And of course you have worked your ass off to earn it. But you have to acknowledge that you are in a position of privilege as well.

    Many people do not have the opportunities you did / do, OR they have much harder obstacles in front of them.
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    I'm talking about zero experience paying jobs. The idea you need experience to make decent money is BS. It helps, but there are jobs out there that pay well with zero experience.

    And I'm not talking about managers Meg. I'm talking about floor peasants. I've been one. I know how to deal with customers. I'd argue I know it better than you with my 2021 role. (but I won't).
    Have you ever had a customer punch you in the face because they don't want to wear a mask, and you have to diffuse the situation?

    Dealt with gangs stealing and harassing your staff in droves, and again you have to keep your cool and diffuse the situation?

    Had the public treat you with disdain for the last year and a half?

    I have formal HR training and a certificate for it.

    I make a very, very small amount more than minimum wage.
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    Okay maybe you do deal with customers better than me.
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why havenít entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    I just can't get on board with actively wanting others to have less than me.

    That is an awful mindset.
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    Yes, hunting for work can be a super pain in the butt.

    I know it has already been meme'd to death, but having to enter all your resume info 2-3 times then attach your resume anyways is maddening.

    Questions like "why are you applying to work here?", "what is your greatest weakness?", "tell me about a time you had to confront another employee over something they did that you felt was immoral or wrong".

    What? This job pays minimum wage and you're going to give me 10 hours a week. You should be happy that I have a pulse, and that's about it.
    Well eventually they'll just turn everything over to robots and then everyone is in trouble. Also yeah they should raise the minimum wage. It should have been raised years ago. 15 isn't even a living wage anymore.
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    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    I like the analogy of the three people standing around a plate of cookies. The upperclass person takes 9 of the 10 cookies, then looks at the middle class person and says "Look! That lower class person is trying to take that last cookie!"
    That's a good one.
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    It's so abundantly clear from these threads that Duke is in a different tax bracket from the vast majority of everyone else on match cut. I'm a far left socialist when it comes to economics, but I also think the culture wars and woke capitalism are giant shiny objects meant to prevent people from thinking too much about class issues. I would recommend listening to Sagaar and Krystal Ball on Joe Rogan (the one that came out about a week ago). They go deep into these types of issues. Shit is bleak. Unattainable home ownership (that horrible company BlackRock or whatever their fuckin' name is buying up houses across the country), low marriage rates, lower birth rates than we've ever had since records have been taken, student loan debt, we can't even raise minimum wage to $15.00 in 2025 (how the law is written that was shot down) let alone 2021. By 2025 minimum wage should be even higher than $15.00 but apparently that ain't happening.

    Like someone said previous in the thread, the most interesting class based thing to occur in America lately is people making more money on unemployment than their "essential" jobs. Now there is a hiring crunch but people are seriously surprised people aren't clamoring for some shit job at Wendy's or Mickey Dees for like $12.00 an hour? WEW.

    I also wonder if we'll finally reach a breaking point once the boomers start dying en masse. My parents are perfect examples of this. They are Trump hating, MSNBC loving "lefties" but they are also aggressive neoliberals that love Amazon, fast food (Taco Bell), boring corporate restaurant chains (Applebees), and seem to care less how they get their made in China garbage or burrito supremes, and get pissy when there is a long line at the drive thu or their crapola takes longer than three days to be delivered. Depressing.
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    It's so abundantly clear from these threads that Duke is in a different tax bracket from the vast majority of everyone else on match cut.
    I don't know that I would say that from his comments (maybe from some house pictures lol). There are plenty of people where I live that are poorer than me by a big stretch and they would agree with Duke. I don't know that the tax bracket is all out indicator of a person's ideas/beliefs.
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    I like Duke to be clear. He seems like a good dudebro, but he also seems sheltered from economic anxieties.
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    Many workers are in love with a capitalistic oppressive system. It's easier to give up and be fine with how things are instead of working to change things.
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    Many workers are in love with a capitalistic oppressive system. It's easier to give up and be fine with how things are instead of working to change things.
    I really don't think this is true.
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    Quote Quoting Pop Trash (view post)

    Like someone said previous in the thread, the most interesting class based thing to occur in America lately is people making more money on unemployment than their "essential" jobs. Now there is a hiring crunch but people are seriously surprised people aren't clamoring for some shit job at Wendy's or Mickey Dees for like $12.00 an hour? WEW.
    Let's hope that's just a pandemic perk.
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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    Let's hope that's just a pandemic perk.
    I haven't worked in food service in years but I still would be THRILLED to see a national corporate fast food strike. Like a real one.
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    I really don't think this is true.
    Yeah; it's more like most workers don't have a choice but ​to participate in that system, despite its exploitative nature, because it's literally the only thing they can do to survive.

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    In my experience it is people who don't work at all who love the oppressive system - whether it is due to independent wealth, or poverty.
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