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    I'm deeply uncomfortable with the idea that "more money = better people"
    It's a good thing no one here said that then. Though you aint finding saints inside (or outside) casinos that's for sure.

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    It's a good thing no one here said that then. Though you aint finding saints inside (or outside) casinos that's for sure.
    Sorry, the way you worded your post it seemed like you were equating better jobs = more wealth = better people.

    Which would be kinda icky.
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    Ah gotcha. I can totally understand the extremes and especially hilly Billy woodsy areas- as you point out, nothing around for miles. I camp up on the boarder of Canada and New Hampshire. There are some not so educated people up there.

    My burbs is nowhere near that. I'm 30 minutes from Boston. 45 to the ocean. 60 to the mountains. I can do anything within a reasonable time.
    I'll have to ask you for a list of spots when I do a New Hampshire/Vermont trek.

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    I'm deeply uncomfortable with the idea that "more money = better people"
    Affluent towns = rich bigots, rarely is it otherwise. The President is banking on votes from the suburbs that want to shut out "low income housing," code for non-white people.

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    Pffft...I challenge you to name even ONE rich white person who is / was racially intolerant.

    Bet you can't.
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    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    I'll have to ask you for a list of spots when I do a New Hampshire/Vermont trek.
    You won't be impressed coming from CO. But I have my last ready.

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Sorry, the way you worded your post it seemed like you were equating better jobs = more wealth = better people.

    Which would be kinda icky.
    There is a direct correlation between schooling, both local and private, and the number of professional jobs that want to surround those schooling areas.

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    There is a direct correlation between schooling, both local and private, and the number of professional jobs that want to surround those schooling areas.
    Never debated that. That just makes sense.

    All I argued was that "wealth = better people" is nonsense. Which you then clarified wasn't what you were saying. And I accepted that. I don't know what we're arguing now.
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Never debated that. That just makes sense.

    All I argued was that "wealth = better people" is nonsense. Which you then clarified wasn't what you were saying. And I accepted that. I don't know what we're arguing now.
    I'm not sure. But better jobs, as in, professional jobs in STEM, normally come with higher salaries. Which would imply more wealth?

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    I'm not sure. But better jobs, as in, professional jobs in STEM, normally come with higher salaries. Which would imply more wealth?
    And again, I didn't argue against that.

    I just said there's no correlation between wealth and "good people".

    Unless one's definition of "good" is, literally, "wealthy". And in that case...'Murica.
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    You won't be impressed coming from CO. But I have my last ready.
    I'm easily impressed at least.

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    Low. Lower. Lowest.
    I try to never wish death upon even the worst people, but...

    *gestures broadly*
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    Chicago going on stay-at-home order

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    A legendary actor in Serbia just died from COVID-19 at the age of 74. Another, younger actor just got it for the second time. He had almost no symptoms a few months ago, and now he tested positive again, with significant symptoms. Now that even the trash tabloids are talking about this perhaps more of the idiots take notice.

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    Denver, afraid to fully lock down again, made up a "purple level" to replace red.

    Red is now: indoor dining closed (outdoor stays open as long as it's single families... good luck monitoring that)
    Bars closed
    Churches and schools stay the same (any other gathering has to be 25%
    Gyms from 25% to 10%

    This picking and choosing is the most annoying part of it all.

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    Denver, afraid to fully lock down again, made up a "purple level" to replace red.

    Red is now: indoor dining closed (outdoor stays open as long as it's single families... good luck monitoring that)
    Bars closed
    Churches and schools stay the same (any other gathering has to be 25%
    Gyms from 25% to 10%

    This picking and choosing is the most annoying part of it all.
    Without endorsing any specific measure here (churches, for example, tend to get exempted not because those gatherings are safe but because it's politically expedient to so), I fully support a more nuanced approach like this, actually. The conversation around community prevention measures has not been nuanced enough. The fact is we can pick and choose. We have a much better understanding now of how COVID spreads and where the risks do/do not lie than we did in March/April when full lockdowns were happening.

    Cases are skyrocketing here too, but I'm not locked down and don't need to. I've gone shopping; dined at restaurants with outdoor seating; attended some soccer and volleyball games for my nieces and nephew (either outside or with masks/distancing when inside); gone to visit a friend who just had a baby (though I didn't hold him and wore a mask); had dinner with friends at their homes without masks because a.) we kept the number very low, b.) we are in each other's "bubble", and c.) I am confident they are taking the same precautions in their own lives. The riskiest thing I do is when I go home to visit family, because I don't wear a mask or social distance around my Mom and sister. But I do a self-imposed quarantine after those visits and anyone who wants me to break my quarantine I make sure they know I'm a non-zero risk; and a couple people have opted to say "Ok, nevermind let's push hanging out till next weekend".

    All that felt safe and didn't include a lockdown/stay-at-home order, but has done loads for my quality of life. On the off-chance one of these few people who I interact with while not wearing a mask or social distancing got COVID (e.g., like my Mom, though I hadn't been around her) and I got sick as a result, I'm confident that my behavior would have kept me from spreading it to anyone else.

    There's no point in putting a public health measure in place if you can't get the public to comply with it or if it causes/exacerbates a cascade of backlash, economic fallout, joblessness, homelessness, mental health crises, etc. In an ideal world everyone is wearing masks and social distancing when they should, we lock down for a couple incubations periods, and then no more COVID. But that's never going to happen in this republic (and it didn't work in March/April anyway), so the alternative is to start better educating everyone and demonstrating that governments are making a good faith effort to limit the spread while trying to avoid torpedoing everyone's lives.

    I hope Biden and the new taskforce are able to be more effective public health messengers. It can't just be Fauci out there on his own on the national stage with state epidemiologists left hung out to dry at the local level.

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    Quote Quoting amberlita (view post)
    Without endorsing any specific measure here (churches, for example, tend to get exempted not because those gatherings are safe but because it's politically expedient to so), I fully support a more nuanced approach like this, actually. The conversation around community prevention measures has not been nuanced enough. The fact is we can pick and choose. We have a much better understanding now of how COVID spreads and where the risks do/do not lie than we did in March/April when full lockdowns were happening.

    Cases are skyrocketing here too, but I'm not locked down and don't need to. I've gone shopping; dined at restaurants with outdoor seating; attended some soccer and volleyball games for my nieces and nephew (either outside or with masks/distancing when inside); gone to visit a friend who just had a baby (though I didn't hold him and wore a mask); had dinner with friends at their homes without masks because a.) we kept the number very low, b.) we are in each other's "bubble", and c.) I am confident they are taking the same precautions in their own lives. The riskiest thing I do is when I go home to visit family, because I don't wear a mask or social distance around my Mom and sister. But I do a self-imposed quarantine after those visits and anyone who wants me to break my quarantine I make sure they know I'm a non-zero risk; and a couple people have opted to say "Ok, nevermind let's push hanging out till next weekend".

    All that felt safe and didn't include a lockdown/stay-at-home order, but has done loads for my quality of life. On the off-chance one of these few people who I interact with while not wearing a mask or social distancing got COVID (e.g., like my Mom, though I hadn't been around her) and I got sick as a result, I'm confident that my behavior would have kept me from spreading it to anyone else.

    There's no point in putting a public health measure in place if you can't get the public to comply with it or if it causes/exacerbates a cascade of backlash, economic fallout, joblessness, homelessness, mental health crises, etc. In an ideal world everyone is wearing masks and social distancing when they should, we lock down for a couple incubations periods, and then no more COVID. But that's never going to happen in this republic (and it didn't work in March/April anyway), so the alternative is to start better educating everyone and demonstrating that governments are making a good faith effort to limit the spread while trying to avoid torpedoing everyone's lives.

    I hope Biden and the new taskforce are able to be more effective public health messengers. It can't just be Fauci out there on his own on the national stage with state epidemiologists left hung out to dry at the local level.
    I'm with you on the self-imposing quarantines. I just think politicians have too hard of a time being able to articulate that type of thinking at a national stage, so they have to pick and choose. I've been very similar to you in that when I do something social, I'll basically stay to myself for the next week to two weeks. I work mostly from home until it's okay for work travel again, so sometimes my workout classes are my only physical interaction with people, and I can say it's much needed for me.

    The restaurants are odd to me, because the "outdoor dining" is going to consist of these winter pods, which are basically inside. I also feel for a lot of the restaurants and bars that worked so hard to establish themselves, and probably risk shutdown now.

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    Two of my uncles and my cousin got covid. Thanksgiving with extended family was already canceled and I bet Xmas is most likely also canceled too. Gonna see my folks and my sister for dinner and that's it. This sucks. I hate my state's governor btw.
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    My parents are visiting other family members this Thanksgiving. It'll likely be my dog and I for the first time, which hasn't quite hit yet, but is definitely bumming me out.

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    It has now been more than I year since I've seen my family in Montenegro. Who knows when it will be safe again, we all have a giant surge in cases and a lockdown is looming.

    BTW, outdoor seating areas here are mostly open, with propane and electric heaters basically for every table. I've seen a lot of people using those, even though it's getting really cold.

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    Minnesota is going to announce a four week bar, restaurant, gym shutdown tonight.
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    I have an employee who is autistic, and sometimes says things or makes jokes that are deeply inappropriate. But frequently hilarious.

    Today a customer came in who wasn't wearing a mask, and he questioned them as to why. They said they can't wear one because they don't have the use of their right arm (bullshit excuse but whatever, not our job to fight).

    When the customer leaves, he turns and says "well, I have huge balls but I still wear pants."
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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