The most entertaining part of the film by far were the Colt-45 jokes Scar and I were cracking every time Lando made an appearance.Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
The most entertaining part of the film by far were the Colt-45 jokes Scar and I were cracking every time Lando made an appearance.
Losing is like fertilizer: it stinks for a while, then you get used to it. (Tony, Hibbing)
1 hour and 15 minutes to the wife's an I first date alone from baby. Got a big breakfast planned. Maybe we'll hit the grocery store right after.... maybe home depot. I dunno. I don't know if there will be enough time.
One of the most telling details in this film is that
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hahaha I love married Duke. Welcome to the club of thats your forever date night agenda.
Can everyone dropping a review do me a favor? Just start with reminding me if you loved or hated the Last Jedi so I have context.
Works every time.
“What we are dealing with here is a perfect engine, er... an eating machine. It's really a miracle of evolution. All this machine does is swim and eat and make little sharks and that's all.”
Better train your liver.
“What we are dealing with here is a perfect engine, er... an eating machine. It's really a miracle of evolution. All this machine does is swim and eat and make little sharks and that's all.”
Initially indifferent, probably due to the fact I found out right before the showing that I needed to put in ten hours of OT the next day.
Its grown on me at home. I like grumpy Luke. However, the casino sequence can straight up disappear.
“What we are dealing with here is a perfect engine, er... an eating machine. It's really a miracle of evolution. All this machine does is swim and eat and make little sharks and that's all.”
I actually got to see this Wednesday night and I really liked it despite having so many fundamental issues with it. It's weird, like I was very conscious of my aversions to things it was doing despite still being very invested and thrilled by most of it. Almost like having a conversation with a gorgeous person, and you're still attracted to them despite them telling you things you fundamentally disgaree with. So not sure if that means this movie is shallow or I am (but I like myself better than I like this movie) but this there are still riches in it that wowed me and even moved me to tears when I wasn't frustrated with it.
Basically, as someone who is certain The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie of my lifetime (and even having re-watched the De-Specialized versions of the original trilogy I was born after just this week, I think TLJ rivals them too), this movie often feels like it's being forced to apologize for something it was absolutely in the right for doing. A lot of thematic and canonical "Psych!''s that made it hard for me to want to engage, but already being onboard, I didn't hate the journey it took once it absolutely became clear it was committing to those choices.
I'm being as cagey as I am because I even think knowing the general reaction to this is a spoiler in a way that it will deflate anticipation or sour the experience. I am saying I think it's very good even though it's undoing some very good pieces of its prior achievements.
So again, I kinda loved it despite it, and I hope more people do too, but I can't fault them if they don't.
I will say this, Johnson's film, whether it was his call or not, deliberately shows her having them in the final scene with the Resistance. But otherwise you're totally right about how it functions thematically.
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Last 11 things I really enjoyed:
Speed Racer (Wachowski/Wachowski, 2008)
Safe (Haynes, 1995)
South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut (Parker, 1999)
Beastie Boys Story (Jonze, 2020)
Bad Trip (Sakurai, 2020)
What's Up Doc? (Bogdanovich, 1972)
Diva (Beineix, 1981)
Delicatessen (Caro/Jeunet, 1991)
The Hunger (Scott, 1983)
Pineapple Express (Green, 2008)
Chungking Express (Wong, 1994)
Oh man. I guess SW still has its hooks in me because hearing this seriously bums me out.
(On the brighter side, there's one more episode of BABY YODA & FRIENDS next week!)
Oh yeah, SW definitely has its hooks in me. It's like a favorite sports team that is last in the division type of feeling. You're rooting for the franchise, but you're not really paying attention...... for now.
So instead, you're looking at the AAA up and comers, and paying attention to the Mandalorian.
Yikes.
I think we're in agreement? The Last Jedi burns the shrine but saves the texts, because the film isn't actually about "killing" the past so much as it's about avoiding fetishization, orthodoxy, and stifling reverence. My point is that, The Last Jedi gives the books symbolic/thematic meaning,
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I feel like some people are giving way too much slack to Johnson over the thematics he tried to present in TLJ.
The simple fact that he tried to show this criticism of over reverence does not automatically make it a good film.
He failed miserably in presenting these ideas.
I didn't spoil tag anything.
Preface: Mild Yay for Force Awakens when opened; eventually grew to dislike due to retreads; Liked The Last Jedi when released, eventually grew to dislike due to length and character decisions-
I knew this movie was going to be trouble when we are introduced to the dumbest McGuffin in the history of the Star Wars lore, in the first 5 minutes of the film. For whatever reason, during whatever period in time, a device was designed, to allow someone, to track where Palpatine has been hiding for 40 years (on some legendary Sith Planet called Exogol. The planet should be called 'Lightning' since every 3 seconds there's a gigantic lightning strike somewhere near you). This presumes that Palpatine even knew where he would be hiding at the end of the Return of the Jedi, because one of the devices is located on the Death Star wreckage. They made two of these devices, again, for whatever reason, (and that reason is only so the script can show one of them being destroyed and NEEDING to use the second one) and then put the locations of both devices inscribed on a dagger, that was in the possession of Rey's parent's bounty hunter.
D&MU said it best; Unsure if this is the worst because the pacing is so frantic in the first half that, and they introduce a lot of Star Warsy stuff that the world building and new characters introduced is kinda neat (probably the neatest in the new trilogy) and fun (fun in a Brandon Fraiser's Mummy kind of way) but it's definitely the most shameless and it's definitely the safest thing you could ever expect. I hated most of the major decisions; the reconnig of Rey's lineage, making the Death Star and Starkiller base complete afterthoughts with a "new weapon" (that also has the ability to completely destroy a planet) attached to every Star Destroyer that Papatine pulls out of thin air, and three of the worst script reveals.
1) Are we really made to believe that General Hux was so butt-hurt from Kylo yelling at him in the past two movies that he decided to betray the First Order and help the Resistance?
2) We meet Lando for a couple of minutes (what's he doing on that desert planet btw? why isn't he hanging out in Cloud City?)- does the film think the audience is THAT dumb that he's not going to show up in the final battle?
3) Chewie's death fake out; I shouldn't expect more from Disney (and the history of misdirected deaths in the Marvel franchise) but the impact that had on me initially... to take that away feels so cheap. That scene is compounded by showcasing Rey's force power and how much training she has been doing off camera. She almost pulls off a Starkiller (not the base, the Sith apprentice. Look it up) And a few scenes later it's all wiped away.
Then there's the obvious stuff; like.. where were all those Star Destroyers for 40 years that the Emperor just pulls out of the ice? His thousands of followers were living down in the cave? Were there beds? and Kitchens and stuff down there? Were those real people? Or real Siths?
Remember the hot potato exposition from the Force Awakens when they try and figure out how to destroy Starkiller Base? Well that happens two more times in this film to explain to us dumb movie watching people that Palpatine has been experimenting with "Dark Science... secrets only the Sith know" (with no actual evidence btw this is just said at the Resistance base). And then more hot potato exposition later in the film when they are planning their attack against those 37,000 Star Destroyers.
I guess I can only be so happy that this movie doesn't involve time travel. But there are a lot of great new alien characters introduced that I enjoyed. For a moment there in the first act, I got a feeling of TOT when all of our characters are in the Millenium Falcon together. Its what I like most about Star Wars; when a group of characters go on a journey- maybe get separated, complete some tasks and rejoin at the end. Didn't hate the linking to Mandalorian and Baby Yoda. I can't recall if force healing has been introduced anywhere else in Star Wars canon?
Oh also, Palpatine melting Raiders of the Lost Ark style was pretty cool.
And that Kylo Rey kiss? What was that about?
very good post, sums up my thoughts
I'm past getting angry about this shit. It was aggressively dumb at times but I had a lot of fun.
The severed arm perfectly acquitted itself, because of the simplicity of its wishes and its total lack of doubt.
Thank god
Yeah I was worried about the time travel thing & was too afraid to ask about it.
Joe's reaction gives me a smidgen of hope, too. "Aggressively dumb but I had fun" is exactly the sort of experience I'm looking for.
In short: Star Wars is a land of contrasts & I sincerely hope LucasFilm pours all its resources into making a Baby Chewbacca show for Disney+
Oh and Meg was right about Rose . She's given absolutely zip to do. And it's explained in the most insulting way possible.
and yes, I'm reading spoilers before seeing it, and I'm sad I don't care because everything I guessed it would be it sounds like it is after announcing JJ was back.
Yes, I will say that the complete removal of Rose's personality and reducing her to a one-note rebel soldier was one of the more depressingly cynical retcons of TLJ
like there's an actual repeat of what happens in TLJ, with Finn making another self-sacrifice play (with far less stakes or emotional build up, of course), and Rose just kinda looks on and is (silently) like, 'oh okay, whatever'
The severed arm perfectly acquitted itself, because of the simplicity of its wishes and its total lack of doubt.
I started to read Duke's review, thinking, "I didn't spoiler anything." Then... I was like, that liar, and I looked up and saw he meant that he didn't spoiler tag anything...
So then I called myself silly, stopped reading, and will return at a future time.
FWIW, I'm not saying the simple presence of these themes automatically makes it a good film. But for the sake of argument, even if The Last Jedi does fail at that, I'll still take The Last Jedi trying to invest the books with thematic meaning and stumbling rather than JJ Abrams using plot objects like they're the artifact hunt at the end of a Metroid Prime game.
And in general, I'll take a Star War that genuinely tries and overreaches over one that offers up iconography like pre-chewed paste to baby-bird into my mouth.
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The severed arm perfectly acquitted itself, because of the simplicity of its wishes and its total lack of doubt.
did someone say 'baby'????
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