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    Scorsese was in Telluride this year, and our paths never crossed :|

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    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    Scorsese was in Telluride this year, and our paths never crossed :|
    My old friend Ari Aster is having a mutual love fest with Scorsese and I'm jealous frankly. I want Scorsese to name drop me in the New York Times as TruCinema™.
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    Am I the only one outraged at calling Hugo awful? That movie is a delight, you monster!

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    Hugo was indeed great, yes.

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    Quote Quoting Pop Trash (view post)
    I wasn't only directing my complaint to you, but the overall whinefest from Marvel fanboys that their billion dollar box office, beloved imdb top 100 film, 4.0 on letterboxd, might DARE be "meh, it's not my thing" by an influential director.

    I've already made myself clear I don't care about the comments in a vacuum. People shouldn't be forced to like things, let alone shit made for the masses. I find the comments less meaningful NOW after having watching the Irishman which is essentially a re-tread of the same organized crime tropes that the same director has already done, done again and done again. Does he have a 5th in him? Same actors too. I mean... I've heard of people stuck in their time before...

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    Hugo is magical.
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    • Shrek (Adamson/Jenson, 2001) ♦½ [+]
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    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    Am I the only one outraged at calling Hugo awful? That movie is a delight, you monster!
    Hugo is beautiful. And whoever thinks Irishman is the same movie as Goodfellas or Casino wasn't paying attention to any of those.

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    I get what Duke is saying, but for me personally I'd rather have 5 Scorcese gangster retreads than another Shutter Island or Wolf of Wall Street. Those were merely fine, while I enjoy his gangster eye more.

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    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    Hugo is beautiful. And whoever thinks Irishman is the same movie as Goodfellas or Casino wasn't paying attention to any of those.
    Oh please. It's literally the same structure from start to finish. Character narration over beginning, height, and end of crime syndicate with sprinkled in sweeping zooms, all of which end untimely and raw.

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    Yeah, but... the content is not the same. With that criterion, every Fellini, every Bergman, every Woody Allen movie is the same.

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    I can buy Goodfellas/Casino/Irishman as a trilogy of sorts. Wolf of Wall Street can basically be labeled into this.

    Departed is a totally different thing though.

    But this is like 10-20% of his movies...

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    Rewatched a second time (over 3 parts because of time and things to do) and it definitely holds up. The relationships of all parties is what strikes me the most. Sheeran wants to make everyone happy, but never really contributes anything on his end unless it's violence.

    The Jimmy Hoffa assassination attempt does seem kind of added on. It's helpful to build up his character, but I think he has enough clout with his position at Sheeran's party and battle with the Kennedy's that he'd still be well-established.

    Pesci's silent but deadly approach might just be as scary as he is in Casino as a ruthless killer. There's never a way to change his mind.

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    Quote Quoting Morris Schæffer (view post)
    Hugo is magical.
    It is a quality film.

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    Scorsese has about ~65 directing credits and has made ~5 movies in the gangster genre.

    "The Departed" is similar to his other films because it touches on several of Scorsese's favorite themes, around personal identity, the nature of work, and toxic forms of ambition.

    I think Duke is sorta half right. Scorsese's docu-fiction technique is awfully tiring but "The Irishman" also contains so many other elements that it's very clearly apart from his earlier work.

    He shot this with no flash, no luxury, and limited violence. The movie doesn't revel in machismo for the sake of machismo ("Do I amuse you?", "Get your shine box.") There's none of the aspirational-yet-morally-queasy consumerism of "Goodfellas," "Casino," or "The Wolf of Wall Street."

    I dig that, at least theoretically, even though I didn't think much of the movie on the whole. Mostly because I don't think 2+ hours of gangster minutiae justifies the film's obvious and superficial payoff.

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    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    Rewatched a second time (over 3 parts because of time and things to do) and it definitely holds up. The relationships of all parties is what strikes me the most. Sheeran wants to make everyone happy, but never really contributes anything on his end unless it's violence.

    The Jimmy Hoffa assassination attempt does seem kind of added on. It's helpful to build up his character, but I think he has enough clout with his position at Sheeran's party and battle with the Kennedy's that he'd still be well-established.

    Pesci's silent but deadly approach might just be as scary as he is in Casino as a ruthless killer. There's never a way to change his mind.
    I watched it again too. It is pretty great. I'm too much of a contrarian to be like FILM OF THE YEAR but I can see why some feel that way. I enjoy that it deliberately subverts crime and gangsta shit to be the moral abyss that it is (w/o ever being preachy). Joe Pesci the second time around is even more revealing. The first time around I didn't realize how important that breakfast convo at the empty Howard Johnson is. Pesci is like "it's gunna happen" and arranges for Frank to do the wacking. I have a feeling Al Pacino is going to get nominated in supporting for a more showy performance, but I actually like Pesci acting against type even more.
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    Quote Quoting Pop Trash (view post)
    I have a feeling Al Pacino is going to get nominated in supporting for a more showy performance, but I actually like Pesci acting against type even more.
    This I DO agree with.

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    Pesci was sooooo good. I vote for him to win if only it convinces us to take more roles. btw, anyone watch the conversation bit on Netflix? Made me inclined to believe half that aging budget was spent on old aging instead of young aging.

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    The Howard Johnson breakfast scene is my favorite scene in the entire movie.

    Although discussing fish in a car is a close second. First time I saw it, I had no idea how things would play out.

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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    Scorsese's docu-fiction technique is awfully tiring
    I think you might be demonstrating a failure to show appreciation.

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    lol

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    I was hoping Pacino would bring something more to this beyond his usual. He's as watchable as ever, but I dug De Niro and Pesci's work far more. The blue eyes brought me out more than the de-aging stuff. The scene where Frank is beating up the grocer is shockingly bad given how obviously old De Niro looks and moves. Like they looked at that and just...kept it? There is a small handful of superlative conversations in here though, all the more for how quiet they usually are and how drawn out. For what it's worth, my dad, stepmom and grandmother all watched this with me over the course of one night, with a brief break for dinner. They all usually start conking out or dozing around 9:00 or 9:30 p.m., but they all stayed awake to finish it by around 10:30 p.m. They all enjoyed it very much. Maybe it doesn't require so much from the viewer, but it mostly worked for me. Loved the meeting in Miami and, really, any time Pesci had to talk to someone for one reason or another. Kinda wasted Keitel though.
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    Yeah. Keitel's role didn't have much to attract starpower. I'll agree to that.

    Re: DeNiro grocery scene. With all the CGI used, you'd think they'd be able to use a stuntdouble and CGI DeNiro's face on him. This is a scene that's certainly gotten attention across the globe, even from its defenders.

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    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    Yeah. Keitel's role didn't have much to attract starpower. I'll agree to that.

    Re: DeNiro grocery scene. With all the CGI used, you'd think they'd be able to use a stuntdouble and CGI DeNiro's face on him. This is a scene that's certainly gotten attention across the globe, even from its defenders.
    It looks so bad.


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    It's like he has red paint on the bottom of his shoe and he's patting it onto the guy's hand so it looks like blood/an injury.
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