View Poll Results: Joker (Todd Phillips)

Voters
21. You may not vote on this poll
  • Comedy

    13 61.90%
  • Tragedy

    8 38.10%
Page 5 of 10 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 125 of 237

Thread: Joker (Todd Phillips)

  1. #101
    Replacing Luck Since 1984 Dukefrukem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    37,786
    I love reading about the behind the scene stuff when movies get the green light. I guess WB was so scared of this movie, they decided to co-finance it to reduce risk. And now they have to split the profits.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/m...ker-movie.html
    Twitch / Youtube / Film Diary

    Quote Quoting D_Davis (view post)
    Uwe Boll movies > all Marvel U movies
    Quote Quoting TGM (view post)
    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why haven’t entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

  2. #102
    Administrator Ezee E's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Denver
    Posts
    30,597
    I'll say this much... I'd be way more interested in this extended universe than the one given in Justice League/Suicide Squad.

    Barbarian - ***
    Bones and All - ***
    Tar - **


    twitter

  3. #103
    A Platypus Grouchy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    9,853
    Here's my (hopefully) controversial list of theatrically released Batman movies, best to worst.

    1. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
    2. Joker
    3. Batman Returns
    4. Batman Begins
    5. Batman (1989)
    6. Batman (1966)
    7. The Dark Knight
    8. Batman Forever
    9. The Dark Knight Rises
    10. Batman and Robin
    11. Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice
    12. Justice League
    13. Suicide Squad

  4. #104
    Producer
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    2,936
    1. The Dark Knight
    2. Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 & 2
    3. The Dark Knight Rises
    4. Batman Begins
    5. Batman Returns
    6. Joker
    7. Batman Forever (This one really needs a rewatch, but my distant memory of it is of a fun, colorful if slight romp)
    8. Batman (1989)
    9. Justice League
    10. Justice League: War
    11. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
    12. Suicide Squad
    Midnight Run (1988) - 9
    The Smiling Lieutenant (1931) - 8.5
    The Adventures of Robinhood (1938) - 8
    Sisters (1973) - 6.5
    Shin Godzilla (2016) - 7.5

  5. #105
    collecting tapes Skitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Neo-Ohio
    Posts
    16,583
    Guys, you're using internet random list generators all wrong.

  6. #106
    Evil mind, evil sword. Ivan Drago's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    6,995
    1. Batman Returns
    2. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
    3. The Dark Knight
    4. Batman Begins
    5. Batman (1989)
    6. Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 & 2
    7. Batman (1966)
    8. The Dark Knight Rises
    9. Joker
    10. Batman Forever
    11. Justice League
    12. Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice
    13. Batman and Robin
    14. Suicide Squad
    Last Five Films I've Seen (Out of 5)

    The Boy, The Mole, The Fox and the Horse (Mackesy, 2022) 4.5
    Puss In Boots: The Last Wish (Crawford, 2022) 4
    Confess, Fletch (Mottola, 2022) 3.5
    M3GAN (Johnstone, 2023) 3.5
    Turning Red (Shi, 2022) 4.5
    Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953) 5

    615 Film
    Letterboxd

  7. #107
    1. Batman Returns
    2. Batman (1989)
    3. The Dark Knight Rises

    Everything else is below 60 and not worth talking about. (Haven't seen Joker or the animated movies or B vs. S)
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    Run
    (2020) 64
    The Whistlers
    (2019
    ) 55
    Pawn (2020) 62
    Matilda (1996) 37
    The Town that Dreaded Sundown
    (1976) 61
    Moby Dick (2011) 50

    Soul
    (2020) 64

    Heroic Duo
    (2003) 55
    A Moment of Romance (1990) 61
    As Tears Go By (1988) 65

    Stuff at Letterboxd
    Listening Habits at LastFM

  8. #108
    collecting tapes Skitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Neo-Ohio
    Posts
    16,583
    Okay, I've seen Joker now. I'm surprised everyone seems to be leaning hard into the Taxi Driver comparison with no mention of Network. I'd say its a mix of the two.

  9. #109
    Guttenbergian Pop Trash's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    The Yay Area
    Posts
    5,243
    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    Okay, I've seen Joker now. I'm surprised everyone seems to be leaning hard into the Taxi Driver comparison with no mention of Network. I'd say its a mix of the two.
    Well, it's King of Comedy more than anything. I find the discourse both positive and negative around Joker to be fascinating. It's wild that a film that feels closer to Rob Zombie in tone than eg. Chris Nolan or Tim Burton (or even Zack Snyder) can be this big of a hit. It's also weird reading the negative reviews from critics (and more than a few them utterly hated it) since I think a lot of extratextual shit is in play here. "Who" is this movie for? Can a movie directed by the Hangover and Old School guy be that good?
    Ratings on a 1-10 scale for your pleasure:

    Top Gun: Maverick - 8
    Top Gun - 7
    McCabe & Mrs. Miller - 8
    Crimes of the Future - 8
    Videodrome - 9
    Valley Girl - 8
    Summer of '42 - 7
    In the Line of Fire - 8
    Passenger 57 - 7
    Everything Everywhere All at Once - 6



  10. #110
    The Pan megladon8's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ottawa, Canada
    Posts
    29,050
    Batman 89 is one of the first movies where I actively noticed editing.

    To this day it’s one of the worst edited movies I’ve ever seen get a wide release.

  11. #111
    Producer
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    2,936
    I changed my mind and now rate this film 10/10 and rank this #1 in the Batmanverse.

    Midnight Run (1988) - 9
    The Smiling Lieutenant (1931) - 8.5
    The Adventures of Robinhood (1938) - 8
    Sisters (1973) - 6.5
    Shin Godzilla (2016) - 7.5

  12. #112
    Administrator Ezee E's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Denver
    Posts
    30,597
    Quote Quoting Pop Trash (view post)
    Well, it's King of Comedy more than anything. I find the discourse both positive and negative around Joker to be fascinating. It's wild that a film that feels closer to Rob Zombie in tone than eg. Chris Nolan or Tim Burton (or even Zack Snyder) can be this big of a hit. It's also weird reading the negative reviews from critics (and more than a few them utterly hated it) since I think a lot of extratextual shit is in play here. "Who" is this movie for? Can a movie directed by the Hangover and Old School guy be that good?
    I haven't understood some of the critical hate to the movie that use those questions as a negative hit. It's only the biggest known villain in all of comics... And we shouldn't be expecting positive morals out of him either.

    I also have no idea how to respond to the thought of, "Well, if you remove the Joker and Bruce Wayne stuff, then the movie sucks..."

    I can certainly buy on that the movie uses other movies to exist. This criticism hits Tarantino too, but it doesn't affect my own personal experience.

    Quite the weird approach ot this one.

    Barbarian - ***
    Bones and All - ***
    Tar - **


    twitter

  13. #113
    collecting tapes Skitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Neo-Ohio
    Posts
    16,583
    Agreed, E. This seems to be one of those movies where some of the people that hate it just seem to be utterly baffled by every single thing, when in other movies they don't nearly flip that critical an eye to every character's decision.

    Not looking at anyone on MC. Generalizing.

  14. #114
    Second star to the right [ETM]'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Novi Sad, Serbia
    Posts
    8,411
    I disagree. I was merely put off by the movie, and for precise reasons. I'm baffled and somewhat surprised and even disgusted by some of the positive hyperbole and "analysis" that I've seen online since.
    When we left the theatre, my wife likened the experience to watching a gangrenous wound: sure, the colors are pretty, but it smells of death and is about as pleasant.

  15. #115
    A Platypus Grouchy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    9,853
    Quote Quoting [ETM] (view post)
    I disagree. I was merely put off by the movie, and for precise reasons. I'm baffled and somewhat surprised and even disgusted by some of the positive hyperbole and "analysis" that I've seen online since.
    When we left the theatre, my wife likened the experience to watching a gangrenous wound: sure, the colors are pretty, but it smells of death and is about as pleasant.
    I assume you're talking about the message you find reprehensible or something like that, but how do you feel about it as a movie?

  16. #116
    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    .
    I also have no idea how to respond to the thought of, "Well, if you remove the Joker and Bruce Wayne stuff, then the movie sucks..."
    .
    Somewhat unrelated, but this reminded me of someone online (Letterboxd I think) saying that Joker is kind a sad reflection of where mainstream movies have ended up - this exact same movie about someone not the Joker probably wouldn’t have been greenlit, let alone make any money. So going forward, all our adult genre films need to have a superhero angle? A romantic comedy starring Catwoman? A regular legal thriller but with Harvey Dent the main character? We are deep in an era of pandering to references. “I recognize that!”
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    Run
    (2020) 64
    The Whistlers
    (2019
    ) 55
    Pawn (2020) 62
    Matilda (1996) 37
    The Town that Dreaded Sundown
    (1976) 61
    Moby Dick (2011) 50

    Soul
    (2020) 64

    Heroic Duo
    (2003) 55
    A Moment of Romance (1990) 61
    As Tears Go By (1988) 65

    Stuff at Letterboxd
    Listening Habits at LastFM

  17. #117
    collecting tapes Skitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Neo-Ohio
    Posts
    16,583
    Quote Quoting [ETM] (view post)
    When we left the theatre, my wife likened the experience to watching a gangrenous wound: sure, the colors are pretty, but it smells of death and is about as pleasant.
    Yep. She nailed it. I dont think anyone is saying its a happy happy fun time. Doesnt mean its bad.

  18. #118
    I'm seeing this today in after I see Blood Simple for the first time on the big screen. The only reason I want to see Joker is how divisive it is. Then I get to tell half of them that they are wrong. That's just good business.
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    Run
    (2020) 64
    The Whistlers
    (2019
    ) 55
    Pawn (2020) 62
    Matilda (1996) 37
    The Town that Dreaded Sundown
    (1976) 61
    Moby Dick (2011) 50

    Soul
    (2020) 64

    Heroic Duo
    (2003) 55
    A Moment of Romance (1990) 61
    As Tears Go By (1988) 65

    Stuff at Letterboxd
    Listening Habits at LastFM

  19. #119
    Scott of the Antarctic Milky Joe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    3,373
    I predict a 62/100
    ‎The severed arm perfectly acquitted itself, because of the simplicity of its wishes and its total lack of doubt.

  20. #120
    Quote Quoting Milky Joe (view post)
    I predict a 62/100
    That’s close to my lifetime average, so good guess!
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    Run
    (2020) 64
    The Whistlers
    (2019
    ) 55
    Pawn (2020) 62
    Matilda (1996) 37
    The Town that Dreaded Sundown
    (1976) 61
    Moby Dick (2011) 50

    Soul
    (2020) 64

    Heroic Duo
    (2003) 55
    A Moment of Romance (1990) 61
    As Tears Go By (1988) 65

    Stuff at Letterboxd
    Listening Habits at LastFM

  21. #121
    55/100

    Mental illness can be scary to an outsider, and that is the case here, with a few isolated scenes of creepy fear (sitting in Beetz' apartment, for example) and tense moments of calm before the explosion. But Phillips undercuts a lot of these moments with stuff that doesn't really make a lot of sense (Fleck doesn't seem to be all that clued into pop culture, so the music cues (e.g., Gary Glitter on the stairs) seem artificial and audience pandering rather than reflecting anything going on inside the character) or that treats the audience like imbeciles (the flashbacks on his interactions with Beetz), and for all the fear of this sparking violence within a certain segment of the audience, this has almost zero political savvy at all - it's just a bunch of shit happening to push Fleck around the gameboard to reach the inevitable conclusion. Worst of all though, and this is my own bias here, but flat-out mentally ill protagonists who act unpredictably from start to finish are inherently dramatically uninteresting to me.

    So it sum, a a number of isolated interesting scenes encased in dramatic lethargy and artificial posturing.
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    Run
    (2020) 64
    The Whistlers
    (2019
    ) 55
    Pawn (2020) 62
    Matilda (1996) 37
    The Town that Dreaded Sundown
    (1976) 61
    Moby Dick (2011) 50

    Soul
    (2020) 64

    Heroic Duo
    (2003) 55
    A Moment of Romance (1990) 61
    As Tears Go By (1988) 65

    Stuff at Letterboxd
    Listening Habits at LastFM

  22. #122
    collecting tapes Skitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Neo-Ohio
    Posts
    16,583
    But...how do you feel about it compared to MCU films?

  23. #123
    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    But...how do you feel about it compared to MCU films?
    More ambitious but more self-conscious about it. Much more interesting to discuss in terms of its motivations, (attempts at) meaning etc. than literally anything the MCU has produced.
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    Run
    (2020) 64
    The Whistlers
    (2019
    ) 55
    Pawn (2020) 62
    Matilda (1996) 37
    The Town that Dreaded Sundown
    (1976) 61
    Moby Dick (2011) 50

    Soul
    (2020) 64

    Heroic Duo
    (2003) 55
    A Moment of Romance (1990) 61
    As Tears Go By (1988) 65

    Stuff at Letterboxd
    Listening Habits at LastFM

  24. #124
    collecting tapes Skitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Neo-Ohio
    Posts
    16,583
    So in the pantheon of all comic book related films, sounds like slightly upper mid tier?

  25. #125
    Second star to the right [ETM]'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Novi Sad, Serbia
    Posts
    8,411

    Joker (Todd Phillips)

    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    Yep. She nailed it. I dont think anyone is saying its a happy happy fun time. Doesnt mean its bad.
    Well, if it was an unpleasant experience that engaged you it can be good. But Joker doesn't ask any real questions nor does it offer any insight beyond generic tidbits about inequality and abuse. Sure, it is handsomely packaged, like I said in my first post, but the veneer is too thin to cover up the clumsy innards.

Page 5 of 10 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
An forum