Avengers: Endgame (Russo Bros)

[Dukefrukem]

He's on letterboxd unless he quit that too.

Yup. I told him to get his butt in here.

[Pop Trash]

Yup. I told him to get his butt in here.

As far as I am concerned, that's New Zealand's ass.

[Milky Joe]

In retrospect, compared to this, Infinity War is kinda boring. I still like the opening and the big fight on Titan, but everything else feels pretty perfunctory. The Scarlet Witch/Vision stuff is just Zzzzzzzzz, who cares. The big fight in Wakanda is just a lot of smashing. Knowing how it ends kills the excitement that was there, and now that Endgame is here I can't imagine ever going back to IW.

[Wryan]

Appearances by the Ancient One and Frigga were serious standouts for me as far as one-off scenes. Loved seeing them back.

[Milky Joe]

Appearances by the Ancient One and Frigga were serious standouts for me as far as one-off scenes. Loved seeing them back.

Same! I love how they are both like, "oh you're a time traveller? cool whatever."

[Pop Trash]

In retrospect, compared to this, Infinity War is kinda boring. I still like the opening and the big fight on Titan, but everything else feels pretty perfunctory. The Scarlet Witch/Vision stuff is just Zzzzzzzzz, who cares. The big fight in Wakanda is just a lot of smashing. Knowing how it ends kills the excitement that was there, and now that Endgame is here I can't imagine ever going back to IW.

Rewatching it a few days ago, I feel kinda the same. The first half hour and last half hour are good shit, but it's padded out by Scarlet Witch/Vision drama, Thanos/Gamora/android sister chick (I forget her name) drama, and whatever the fuck was going on in those Peter Dinklage scenes. That movie could have been pared down by 30-45 minutes easily, which is what Marvel should have done. Have a hit it and quit it part one, and a longer portentous Return of the King style part two.

[Pop Trash]

This exchange explains it (it's purposely vague and probably nonsense, but it's the rules that are defined by the film):

Banner: [pleading with The Ancient One for the time stone... ] Please, please, please...

The Ancient One: I'm sorry, I can't help you, Bruce. If I give up the time stone to help your reality, I'm dooming my own.

Banner: With all due respect, I'm not sure that science really supports that.

The Ancient One: The Infinity stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one stone and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality but my new one, not so much. In this new branched reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be over run. Millions will suffer. So, tell me Doctor, can your science prevent all that?

Banner: No, but we can erase it. Because once we are done with the stones, we can return each one to it's own time line at the moment it was taken. So, chronologically, in that reality, they never left.

The Ancient One: But you are leaving out the most important part. In order to return the stones, you have to survive.

Banner: We will, I will. I promise.

It's Bill & Ted, but if Bill & Ted were nice enough to go back and return the dad's keys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiynF8NQzgo

[Dukefrukem]

1.The Avengers
2.Captain America: The Winter Soldier
3.Avengers: Age of Ultron
4. Avengers: Endgame (pending 2nd viewing)
5.Iron Man
6.Thor: Ragnarok
7. Guardians of the Galaxy
8. Avengers: Infinity War
9. Captain America: Civil War
10. Spider-Man: Homecoming
11. Ant-Man and the Wasp
12.Captain America: The First Avenger
13. Iron Man 3
14.Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
15.Captain Marvel
16.Thor
17.Ant-Man
18.Black Panther
19.Doctor Strange
20.Iron Man 2
21.Thor: The Dark World
22.The Incredible Hulk

Not that folks care all that much, but I've rearranged some of these after watching most of them the past month.

Infinity War gets demoted, Iron Man, Ragnarok and Guardians get promoted. Infinity War does have some downtime. And Civil War handles Zemo and Crossbones so terribly that I want to demote Civil War too.

[Grouchy]

watching most of them the past month.

Dude, I mean obviously, you do whatever you want, but that's a lot of hours for Marvel movies you've already seen.

[Lazlo]

Without thinking about it too much:

1. Avengers: Endgame
2. Iron Man
3. The Avengers
4. Thor: Ragnarok
5. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
6. Avengers: Infinity War
7. Avengers: Age of Ultron
8. Guardians of the Galaxy
9. Thor
10. Captain America: The First Avenger
11. Captain Marvel
12. Iron Man 3
13. Ant-Man
14. Black Panther
15. Ant-Man and the Wasp
16. Thor: The Dark World
17. Captain America: Civil War
18. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
19. Spider-Man: Homecoming
20. Doctor Strange
21. Iron Man 2
22. The Incredible Hulk

[Dukefrukem]

Dude, I mean obviously, you do whatever you want, but that's a lot of hours for Marvel movies you've already seen.

They are fun and make me feel good and I (obviously) have been in the mood with Marvel stuff as of late.

[Dukefrukem]

Without thinking about it too much:

1. Avengers: Endgame
2. Iron Man
3. The Avengers
4. Thor: Ragnarok
5. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
6. Avengers: Infinity War
7. Avengers: Age of Ultron
8. Guardians of the Galaxy
9. Thor
10. Captain America: The First Avenger
11. Captain Marvel
12. Iron Man 3
13. Ant-Man
14. Black Panther
15. Ant-Man and the Wasp
16. Thor: The Dark World
17. Captain America: Civil War
18. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
19. Spider-Man: Homecoming
20. Doctor Strange
21. Iron Man 2
22. The Incredible Hulk

Good list. My only question would be why you don't like Ant-Man and the Wasp over Ant-Man?

[Ezee E]

*** 1/2
Avengers: Infinity War
Captain America: Winter Soldier
Captain America: First Avenger

***
Avengers: Endgame
Iron Man
The Avengers
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America: Civil War
Doctor Strange

** 1/2
Incredible Hulk

**
Thor
Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2

*1/2
Iron Man 3

*
Iron Man 2

Unseen
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Thor: Dark World
Ant-Man
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Thor: Ragnarok
Captain Marvel

[Lazlo]

Good list. My only question would be why you don't like Ant-Man and the Wasp over Ant-Man?

I like the mission more, there's more Luis, the novelty of the train fight and all the other size-related stuff still stands out to me. I thought the Ghost storyline in A-MATW suffered on repeat viewing. But, to be clear, all of these are technically good movies on varying ends of the "good" spectrum.

[Skitch]

Dude, I mean obviously, you do whatever you want, but that's a lot of hours for Marvel movies you've already seen.

I've watched Suicide Squad like 3 times and I don't even give it a thumbs up. Comic book dorks got issues!

[Grouchy]

I've watched Suicide Squad like 3 times and I don't even give it a thumbs up. Comic book dorks got issues!

I saw it only the once but I've seen more than enough videos about how bad it is that I can't really hold the high ground here.

[DavidSeven]

Standout:

1. Avengers
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Avengers: Endgame

Forgettable but entertaining (mostly no discernible order): Avengers: Age of Ultron, Avengers: Infinity War, Thor: Ragnarok, Thor, Iron Man, Iron Man 3, Black Panther, Captain America: The First Avenger, Captain America: Civil War, Ant-Man and the Wasp, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man: Homecoming

Most Overrated: Captain America: Winter Solider

Just bad and you should be ashamed: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, Captain Marvel, Ant-Man, Iron Man 2

N/A: Thor: The Dark World, The Incredible Hulk

[Pop Trash]

I'd need a rewatch on a lot of these, but for now...

1. Endgame
2. Cap 1
3. Thor 3
4. Avengers 1
5. Guardians 1
6. Thor 1
7. Black Panther
8. Spider-Man: Homecoming
9. Cap 2
10. Iron Man 1
11. Infinity War
12. Age of Ultron

Das it mang. Based on the last two Avengers the solo joints I haven't seen that I'd most like to now are the two Ant-Mans and Doctor Strange. Maybe Captain Marvel.

[Milky Joe]

1. Avengers
2. Avengers Endgame
3. Iron Man 3
3a. Agents of SHIELD s3
4. Winter Soldier
5. Civil War
5a. Agents of SHIELD s4
6. Ant Man
6a. Agents of SHIELD s5
7. Thor: Ragnarok
8. Iron Man
9. Age of Ultron
9a. Agents of SHIELD s2
10. Spider-Man Homecoming
10a. Agents of SHIELD s1
11. Captain America: First Avenger
12. Doctor Strange
13. Ant Man and the Wasp
14. Black Panther
15. Infinity War
16. Guardians of the Galaxy 2
17. Guardians of the Galaxy
18. Thor
19. Captain Marvel
20. Iron Man 2
21. Thor The Dark World
22. The Incredible Hulk

[Skitch]

I'd need a rewatch on a lot of these, but for now...

1. Endgame
2. Cap 1
3. Thor 3
4. Avengers 1
5. Guardians 1
6. Thor 1
7. Black Panther
8. Spider-Man: Homecoming
9. Cap 2
10. Iron Man 1
11. Infinity War
12. Age of Ultron

Das it mang. Based on the last two Avengers the solo joints I haven't seen that I'd most like to now are the two Ant-Mans and Doctor Strange. Maybe Captain Marvel.

Other than Endgame (I dont know where I stand on it yet, need to see few more times), I am damn close to your order. Captain Marvel surprised me, and I say that because I thought the trailers (and I'm not really sure why) didnt work for me, but the movie did.

[Morris Schæffer]

Pretty darn amazing. I can't believe how good it is.

[Morris Schæffer]

Some assorted thoughts:

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How did old Cap end up on that bench near the team's launch pad? Perhaps with the runtime being this long already there was no time to have some additional scenes where old Cap tracks down some Avengers and tells them why he didn't come back. Perhaps old cap on bench shouldn't have been a scene, instead him dancing with Peggy in the past would have made things clear. Now it feels like over-explaining.
- Scenes with Tony and Pa Stark were amazing. Then they showed Jarvis. I geeked out. Wasn't a huge fan of Agent Carter, but nice to see James D'Arcy for a brief moment.
- So I suppose in IW, Dr. Strange knew the one outcome from all 14 million that would work was that Tony had to sacrifice himself, which is why he preferred not to tell. Until the very end when he coaxed him into accepting his tragic fate. Is the time stone in any way specifically pivotal in Endgame for turning the tides? If not, then still not clear why Strange would give it up in IW. Did that Stone make it possible for them to commence project 'time heist'?
- What an undertaking these past 11 years. I didn't like all the movies, but this is a wonderful pay-off.
- Contrary to some, I'm not especially eager to see the next few years of Marvel since the culmination of this phase feels like such a high water mark.
- Gonna place this ahead of IW

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Thoughts underneath the spoiler tag:

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This runs a little too long, and the plot moves forward more than once out of convenience (like Ant-Man's return to the real world), and for someone who's been built up as a being that can kill Thanos by herself, Captain Marvel isn't given anything to do, only appearing when she's needed.

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Didn't Ant-Man return after the '5 years later' bit? In which case I would say it's less convenient and rather more plausible. As for Captain Marvel, I sort of felt the same way although we all know that if Captain Marvel was indeed that powerful, then Endgame would have been considerably less engaging I believe. It was never her that was going to defeat Thanos, I think she's a boring character although her arrival later in the game was a bit kickass. And in her defense, she does say that Earth's troubles are everywhere in the galaxy so she can't be there all the time. Feeble excuse perhaps.

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[Dukefrukem]

Morris good point that I forgot about; A rare situation where the MCU acknowledges the TV shows. That was nice.

[Milky Joe]

I think I read that the 1 out of 14 million scenario Strange saw was [

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the rat turning on the quantum machine bringing Ant Man back which led to the inspiration for Tony to figure out time travel

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[Morris Schæffer]

I think I read that the 1 out of 14 million scenario Strange saw was [

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the rat turning on the quantum machine bringing Ant Man back which led to the inspiration for Tony to figure out time travel

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That could be. It's just that from the way those [

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final moments played out for Tony, and how Strange whispered 'one chance' to him from across the battlefield, that this specific moment was what Strange had seen all along. I mean, he had seen 14 million outcomes, so I assume the one that might have worked would have been with Tony sacrificing himself. And that Strange had seen this also.

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Although that opens up a sort of plothole, because if [

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Strange had seen this exact outcome, he might have said something to Tony back in IW on Titan so that perhaps someone more powerful might have worn the glove and made the snap instead. Hulk survived it, might Captain Marvel has survived it also?

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