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    Quote Quoting PURPLE (view post)
    I agree with you that I don't like your list much, though
    My list is great. Just nowhere near as great as pretty much any other decade.
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    El
    (1973) 70
    The Day After
    (1983
    ) 63
    Duck, You Sucker (1971) 68
    Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) 71
    Noriko’s Dinner Party
    (2005) 61
    The Third Murder (2017) 56

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    (1999) 85

    /Toy Story
    (1995) 65
    Vice (2018) 57
    The Counterfeit Traitor (1962) 62

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  2. #627
    Quote Quoting PURPLE (view post)
    Hollywood films from the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s were, for the most part, absolute garbage, just like these days. It's also difficult to compare - the Hollywood of those days churned out a lot more people-focused films which have not proven profitable these days, and the Hollywood of today churns out a lot of action-focused films. Still, the awful deluge of genre fare in those days is the same awful deluge that we find these days.

    If you were to not watch a single film from 2000-2020 and only watch the best Hollywood films made (not the most popular), you might think it was a golden age. None of them are.

    At least these days there are more writer/directors finding their way into the system in various genres. The for-hire director output of classic Hollywood is hugely disappointing. It's almost impossible to take recommendations from the period seriously since the blinders people have for bland aesthetics is truly staggering.
    The key phrase in your first sentence is "for the most part" (for the most part, anything is garbage), although I would argue that the average film of the classical period is, for a variety of reasons, superior to the average Hollywood film of any subsequent decade. I remember seeing an interview with Billy Wilder from the early 1980s where he talks about how, when he started at Paramount, they were making something like forty or fifty films a year compared with the post-studio era, where it's become uncommon for a studio to release even half that number of films, meaning there's a lot more riding on each film, and consequently, studios are willing to take fewer risks. It doesn't help matters that, since the 1960s, the studios have been run by faceless multinational conglomerates rather than the old-time studio moguls, who had a certain professional pride in doing quality work. (Recall David O. Selznick's passion for costly reshoots.) Another reason for the sliding quality of American films has to do with the rise of film schools in the 1960s, which effectively replaced the apprentice system that existed in the studio-era, as a result of which the level of basic craftsmanship in Hollywood filmmaking has steeply declined to the point where even the most ambitious contemporary Hollywood directors know less about staging than a Michael Curtiz or a John Sturges. (Incidentally, if cinema has a "greatest generation," it's undoubtedly those directors whose careers spanned both the silent and sound eras: Charles Chaplin, Carl Dreyer, John Ford, Howard Hawks, Alfred Hitchcock, Fritz Lang, Ernst Lubitsch, Mizoguchi Kenji, Naruse Mikio, Ozu Yasujiro, Jean Renoir, and Josef von Sternberg being only the first dozen names that come to mind.)
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    Every decade has good and bad films, cinema is good, some decades are better than others, honestly cinema peaked in 1975, yada yada.
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    Quote Quoting PURPLE (view post)
    Perfume commercials are honestly better than most Hollywood films!
    Ain't that the truth.

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    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    The Tree of Life is a boring perfume commercial
    This might be the most correct statement on this thread so far. It's even more true of the films Malick made after that.

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    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    This might be the most correct statement on this thread so far. It's even more true of the films Malick made after that.
    I still haven't seen any of the films he made after that. It really did a number on me. It's not what I want in a film.
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    El
    (1973) 70
    The Day After
    (1983
    ) 63
    Duck, You Sucker (1971) 68
    Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) 71
    Noriko’s Dinner Party
    (2005) 61
    The Third Murder (2017) 56

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    (1999) 85

    /Toy Story
    (1995) 65
    Vice (2018) 57
    The Counterfeit Traitor (1962) 62

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    It was a one-and-done for me. What a seemingly pointless venture.

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    I loved The Tree of Life, but Badlands is one of my favorite movies (and I own it on Criterion).
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    Song to Song is a radically unique film. It's quite amazing what he did in that film. I don't love it as much as The Tree of Life only because that one is more to my tastes, but it's still amazing.

    I love Malick's newly found style. Badlands is boring, typical. A perfume commercial would NEVER stoop to such lows!

  10. #635
    Quote Quoting PURPLE (view post)
    Song to Song is a radically unique film. It's quite amazing what he did in that film. I don't love it as much as The Tree of Life only because that one is more to my tastes, but it's still amazing.

    I love Malick's newly found style. Badlands is boring, typical. A perfume commercial would NEVER stoop to such lows!
    Typical of what?
    Just because...
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    Love on Delivery (Lee Lik-chi, 1994) mild
    Kommunisten (Jean-Marie Straub, 2014) mild

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  11. #636
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    Typical of what?
    It has criminals in it, I guess, therefore it's just more of the same?
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    El
    (1973) 70
    The Day After
    (1983
    ) 63
    Duck, You Sucker (1971) 68
    Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) 71
    Noriko’s Dinner Party
    (2005) 61
    The Third Murder (2017) 56

    /Audition
    (1999) 85

    /Toy Story
    (1995) 65
    Vice (2018) 57
    The Counterfeit Traitor (1962) 62

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    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    It has criminals in it, I guess, therefore it's just more of the same?
    I should have clarified, being that this conversation is so weighty. It's clearly atypical of a perfume commercial.

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    Hey now if you can't enjoy a well crafted perfume commercial then how can you possibly appreciate cinema?
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    Hey now if you can't enjoy a well crafted perfume commercial then how can you possibly appreciate cinema?
    It doesn't hurt!

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    I hate Grease with fury of a thousand suns.

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    I hate Grease with fury of a thousand suns.
    I love Grease with the fury of a million suns. Let’s work out a good deal! You don’t want to be responsible for slaughtering your own self-respect, and I don’t want to be responsible for destroying your understanding of what constitutes cinema—and I will. I’ve already given you a little sample with respect to my tiff with MadMan.

    History will look upon you favorably if you get this the right and humane way. It will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don’t happen. Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool!

    I will call you later.
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    El
    (1973) 70
    The Day After
    (1983
    ) 63
    Duck, You Sucker (1971) 68
    Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) 71
    Noriko’s Dinner Party
    (2005) 61
    The Third Murder (2017) 56

    /Audition
    (1999) 85

    /Toy Story
    (1995) 65
    Vice (2018) 57
    The Counterfeit Traitor (1962) 62

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    When my younger sister was in grade school, she would watch Grease 3-4 times a day. She was obsessed with learning all the songs and dance moves. The moment the tape was over, she would rewind it and start again. Every time the volume was way too loud. I was yelled at for even suggesting a reasonable volume. This went on for years. I'm not remotely exaggerating. I despise that movie, and to hell with credibility if it hinges on Grease or the MCU, up or down.

    But do call me later, we'll party! (must spread rep juices around and all that)

  18. #643
    Your sister sounds smart and cool.
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    El
    (1973) 70
    The Day After
    (1983
    ) 63
    Duck, You Sucker (1971) 68
    Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) 71
    Noriko’s Dinner Party
    (2005) 61
    The Third Murder (2017) 56

    /Audition
    (1999) 85

    /Toy Story
    (1995) 65
    Vice (2018) 57
    The Counterfeit Traitor (1962) 62

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    Your sister sounds smart and cool.
    She thinks National Treasure 1 and 2 are the best movies ever made.

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    Grease was on TV the other day. I watched the whole thing.

    I also watched Age of Ultron on TNT today.

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    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    She thinks National Treasure 1 and 2 are the best movies ever made.
    That's.... disheartening.
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    El
    (1973) 70
    The Day After
    (1983
    ) 63
    Duck, You Sucker (1971) 68
    Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) 71
    Noriko’s Dinner Party
    (2005) 61
    The Third Murder (2017) 56

    /Audition
    (1999) 85

    /Toy Story
    (1995) 65
    Vice (2018) 57
    The Counterfeit Traitor (1962) 62

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    I will never understand the respect Grease gets. The story is awful and offensive, the songs suck, and it's a fat sack of rapeyness. The best way to view it is as a full movie like a Jacob's Latter-esque dream-state as what's her name actually drowns in the beginning of the film.

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    I like some of the songs ("Summer Lovin'" and "You're the One That I Want") and Stockard Channing's character, who seems to be visiting from a more interesting movie, but overall it's pretty mediocre.
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    While we're bashing widely liked movies, I might as well add that the only person who's genuinely funny in Caddyshack is Rodney Dangerfield, who seems to have written most of his lines himself. Chevy Chase is so subdued he seems to be falling asleep and Bill Murray mumbling to himself is just weird and creepy.
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    O Fantasma (Joăo Pedro Rodrigues, 2000) warm
    Love on Delivery (Lee Lik-chi, 1994) mild
    Kommunisten (Jean-Marie Straub, 2014) mild

    The last book I read was...
    Narrative Comprehension and Film by Edward Branigan


    The (New) World

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    I think Grease is a bad film, but I don't hate it.
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