Avengers: Infinity War (Russo Bros)

[Winston*]

Ones I liked. Never saw Ant Man or the Norton Hulk.

1. Thor 3
2. Iron Man 3
3. Guardians 1
4. Avengers 1
5. Winter Soldier
6. Spider-man
7. Black Panther
8. Captain America 1
9. Iron Man 1

[Milky Joe]

Funny you should say that, but this is my third-to-last one... I'll watch Antman 2 and the second half of this, and I'm done. I just don't care about any of the characters, and I have no interest in any more Strange/BP/Spider-Man entries.

Does this mean you're getting divorced?

[Peng]

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so does the new Ant Man take place in the aftermath of this movie?

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No, before this (as mentioned how [

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he and Hawkeye struck a deal with government, and I think in the trailer there is a mention or image of him being on house arrest or something?

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[Henry Gale]

I'm worried about posting my spoiler review- since Henry is being so cautious as to not mentioning much.

Oh do post it, but tag away. I just know that if I hadn't yet seen it and was in this thread and I wouldn't want to see anything out in the open.

At least it's actually out everywhere now.

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so does the new Ant Man take place in the aftermath of this movie?

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right before and then up to the same climactic moment. Infinity War has to take place over, what, a day and a half?

Also for a whole movie going all in on the duo angle, I gotta assume either Ant-Man or the Wasp bites the dust, and then the other is left to search for the team. But not before a post-credit scene of them maybe grabbing Hawkeye on the way. Or they get him first and then the ashes during the credits.

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[transmogrifier]

Does this mean you're getting divorced?

Ha, no, I’ve just got a year to break the news...

Anyway, she is sick with a bad head cold at the moment, so I won't be watching this for a while. At least Wats won't get angry at me for watching it so quickly.

[Dukefrukem]

What can I say? This was everything I ever wanted in a two part Avengers. But you guys already knew that. I couldn't help but cry as my sister is balling her eyes out sitting next to me.

Thanos feels like a great villain out of the gate, and so does the Black Order. He makes his presence known early and consistently throughout the movie. Brolin was great. After the opening sequence, the stakes are felt. I love that they gave the Black Order something to do, which essentially splits our heroes into three areas, ultimately three journeys, to accomplish their goal.

Two times my theater cheered. The first was Cap's appearance out of the shadows (it's in the trailer). The second was[

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Thor's appearance in Wakanda after getting Stormbreaker, which I didn't think Thor ever wielded. I thought that was a Beta Ray Bill weapon.

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The humor is there. I was worried it wouldn't be with no Whedon. After an abrupt opening scene, it definitely takes it's time to get going, but so does Civil War. Once we get off world, it becomes a little more consistent with the tone and pacing.

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At first I thought Thanos was meeting Death on the hills of a mountain when searching for the Soul Stone.. I predicted and HOPED that Death would be part of this story, even if it were just a brief introduction to the movie of Thano's motivation. It would also be a great reference to Whedon's after credit scene from the first Avengers. But holy shit, Marvel brought back the Red Skull. No Hugo Weaving, but that was a really great throw back

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Where essentially half the Avengers dies, which is a page out of the Infinity Gauntlet where Thanos kills half the universe (trillions of people by the snap of a finger). I didn't think Disney had the balls to this, let alone end the movie like this. This means, I expect some new cosmic entities to be introduced in the next two movies. Plus, how the fuck is Tony getting back to Earth?

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[Dukefrukem]

Technology is so good today, they can get real time animation to adjust for shots. Brilliant!

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[Milky Joe]

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Plus, how the fuck is Tony getting back to Earth?

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why can't Strange just teleport them back??

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[Dukefrukem]

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why can't Strange just teleport them back??

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Are we back on speaking terms??

[Henry Gale]

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why can't Strange just teleport them back??

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I'm sure he'd be happy to..... if he wasn't floating ash.

But unless I'm remembering wrong, it's just Nebula and Stark left on Titan, right? She's mostly machine, he's an engineer; They'll make it work.

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[Milky Joe]

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I'm sure he'd be happy to..... if he wasn't floating ash.

But unless I'm remembering wrong, it's just Nebula and Stark left on Titan, right? She's mostly machine, he's an engineer; They'll make it work.

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I was so fixated on Peter that I forgot Strange went too.

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[Pop Trash]

MCU

1. Captain America 1
2. Thor 3
3. Avengers 1
4. Thor 1
5. Captain America 2
6. Spider-Man 1 (or 6? depends on your perspective)
7. Iron Man 1
8. Black Panther 1
9. Guardians of the Galaxy 1
10. Avengers 2

[Dukefrukem]

This is where it sits for now.

1.The Avengers 2012
2.Captain America: The Winter Soldier 2014
3.Avengers: Age of Ultron 2015
4.Avengers: Infinity War 2018
5.Thor: Ragnarok 2017
6.Spider-Man: Homecoming 2017
7.Captain America: Civil War 2016
8.Guardians of the Galaxy 2014
9.Iron Man 2008
10.Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 2017
11.Ant-Man 2015
12.Doctor Strange 2016
13.Iron Man 3 2013
14.Captain America: The First Avenger 2011
15.Thor 2011
16.Black Panther 2018
17.Iron Man 2 2010
18.Thor: The Dark World 2013
19.The Incredible Hulk 2008

I rewatched First Avenger, Avengers, Ultron and Doctor Strange in the last 2 days... and I've updated my rankings.
First Avenger gets better as Strange gets much worse.


1.The Avengers 2012
2.Captain America: The Winter Soldier 2014
3.Avengers: Age of Ultron 2015
4.Avengers: Infinity War 2018
5.Thor: Ragnarok 2017
6.Spider-Man: Homecoming 2017
7.Captain America: Civil War 2016
8.Guardians of the Galaxy 2014
9.Iron Man 2008
10.Captain America: The First Avenger 2011
11.Black Panther 2018
12.Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 2017
13.Iron Man 3 2013
14.Thor 2011
15.Ant-Man 2015
16.Doctor Strange 2016
17.Iron Man 2 2010
18.Thor: The Dark World 2013
19.The Incredible Hulk 2008

[Dukefrukem]

Couple of Complaints:

Motion capture on Proxima Midnight looked unfinished and looked more like a Blizzard cut-scene, where as Ebony Maw looked incredible. I thought they wrote Maw beautifully.

Peter Dinklage mystery character was... distracting. I'm beginning to think he can't act outside of Game of Thrones, which is odd because he's so good on that show. But what else has done that's been at that level? His voice over acting is terrible.

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It didn't look as if they captured Proxima Midnight at all, it looked like a 100% CGI character with Coon wasted on voice work.

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I rewatched First Avenger, Avengers, Ultron and Doctor Strange in the last 2 days... and I've updated my rankings.
First Avenger gets better as Strange gets much worse.

I don't think I've seen any of them as much as I've seen First Avenger. There's something about the first half of the movie that makes me forgive the forgettable climax.

[Dukefrukem]

I don't think I've seen any of them as much as I've seen First Avenger. There's something about the first half of the movie that makes me forgive the forgettable climax.

Yeh, the climax is a bit weak. BUt you're right, the first half of that movie is pretty great. Yup until Rogers walks up the road with 100 men he saves by himself.

[dreamdead]

I'm gonna go with negative on this one. I felt fatigued through multiple scenes in Black Panther, and this one extended that sense; the Gamora and Thanos material works, but it needs another scene or two to pull it together more deeply.

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The Starlord material in the Thanos battle with Doctor Strange, Mantis, Iron Man, and Spider-Man is the weakest part--his flaw feels too pat and narrative-driven for his character in that moment to risk their battle on such a transparently obvious reveal. (To extend it, so did Gamora just before she's dropped.) The hubris is strong here--but it doesn't feel fleshed out enough.

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That couple minute streak of despair and punchline-levity was too repetitive, and interesting characters are given so little to do (Olsen, ScoJo, Wright) that it neutralizes the sense of scale that the Russo brothers are playing with. Strangely, if it were another 15-20 minutes longer, it'd be able to possibly have more of character arc rather than narrative one.

[Dead & Messed Up]

I find it hard to take seriously the final ten minutes...

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as they play less like a cruel thinning of the herd and more like setup for the next film that will restore the characters back. The problem here is that it's hard to invest character death when the film's very MacGuffin is essentially a get-out-of-jail-free card that can be used in a thousand different ways. And apart from Peter, the thinning of the herd doesn't occur with any semblance of emotion or tragedy. They don't come with accompanying payoff to relationships. It's just... a thing that happens. Everyone just sorta stands around and looks confused as they Marty McFly into the Great Beyond. (Imagine if being turned into antimatter dust, I don't know, hurt?)

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This feels like Civil War to me, more crowd control than a film that operates toward something beyond its own existence (and the core competencies of the Marvel brand). I will give the film credit for making Thanos the protagonist and making it all about his own passion and emotional journey. There's no personality in the film as big as him, and Brolin and the VFX team make him a menacing agent of action. Were it not for Killmonger, he'd be the best Marvel villain since Loki.

[Dukefrukem]

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I don't think the MacGuffin is as nearly important here if there are emotional ties to the exit. Why are you worrying about the next film? Just focus on what's happening on screen. And I disagree with the things happen. It thought all the deaths were profound, esp Loki's, Gamora's, Black Panther's and Parkers

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[Dead & Messed Up]

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I don't think the MacGuffin is as nearly important here if there are emotional ties to the exit. Why are you worrying about the next film? Just focus on what's happening on screen. And I disagree with the things happen. It thought all the deaths were profound, esp Loki's, Gamora's, Black Panther's and Parkers

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If there are emotional connections to the deaths, absolutely. The buried issue here being that I didn't feel emotions during those evaporations in the final moments. I just thought, "Okay, that's what the next movie will be about. Undoing all of this." Perhaps it's that the scene itself is free of pain and emotion (beyond shock). Do we see anybody cry? Perhaps it's that the film doesn't really build meaningful arcs for the characters so that when one will die, it means something to another living person. Imagine, for example, if Stark's sub-mission through all of this was protecting Peter and keeping him as much out of harm's way as possible - not just because of their connection to each other, but also because Parker becomes a proxy for all of humanity - then I would feel something when Parker dies, because I would empathize with Stark failing in a specific way to keep his surrogate son safe. Similarly, yes, Tchalla dies. Why? We needed more time with him, and a better sense of what he is prepared to sacrifice against this threat. And then have him act against someone who's there to watch it. (And you can see that the film is sorta kinda angling for that, but there's just not enough time in the film for me to feel that this death has consequence and emotion and meaning to the people experiencing it.) It's sad, but in a distant and clinical way.

I would agree with you that Gamora's death is sad. That one I'd give you for sure. Even though the moment plays it way too long to the point where you want to scream at Gamora for not catching on, it feels real and sad - and weirdly enough, a big part of why is because you recognize Thanos' emotional turmoil in choosing that path. (The film tries to do this again later with Vision and Scarlet Witch, to lesser effect.)

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[Dukefrukem]

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If there are emotional connections to the deaths, absolutely. The buried issue here being that I didn't feel emotions during those evaporations in the final moments. I just thought, "Okay, that's what the next movie will be about. Undoing all of this." Perhaps it's that the scene itself is free of pain and emotion (beyond shock). Do we see anybody cry? Perhaps it's that the film doesn't really build meaningful arcs for the characters so that when one will die, it means something to another living person. Imagine, for example, if Stark's sub-mission through all of this was protecting Peter and keeping him as much out of harm's way as possible - not just because of their connection to each other, but also because Parker becomes a proxy for all of humanity - then I would feel something when Parker dies, because I would empathize with Stark failing in a specific way to keep his surrogate son safe. Similarly, yes, Tchalla dies. Why? We needed more time with him, and a better sense of what he is prepared to sacrifice against this threat. And then have him act against someone who's there to watch it. (And you can see that the film is sorta kinda angling for that, but there's just not enough time in the film for me to feel that this death has consequence and emotion and meaning to the people experiencing it.) It's sad, but in a distant and clinical way.

I would agree with you that Gamora's death is sad. That one I'd give you for sure. Even though the moment plays it way too long to the point where you want to scream at Gamora for not catching on, it feels real and sad - and weirdly enough, a big part of why is because you recognize Thanos' emotional turmoil in choosing that path. (The film tries to do this again later with Vision and Scarlet Witch, to lesser effect.)

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I was thinking about this more, and I'm going to see this again on Monday, but I think anyone who has died, before Thanos snapped his fingers, are likely dead forever. That includes, Loki, Heimdall, and Gamora.

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[Dukefrukem]

When trans sees this, he's going to hate it more than Black Panther. All of the backstory and character arcs are in other films, and this movie is basically 2.5 hours of climax and characters meeting each other for the first time. It's specifically for Marvel fans and seeing the other movies is basically a prerequisite.

[Milky Joe]

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Imagine, for example, if Stark's sub-mission through all of this was protecting Peter and keeping him as much out of harm's way as possible - not just because of their connection to each other, but also because Parker becomes a proxy for all of humanity - then I would feel something when Parker dies, because I would empathize with Stark failing in a specific way to keep his surrogate son safe.

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that's exactly what happened! have you not been following along with Stark and Peter since Civil War?

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aside from the pre-snap deaths that Duke mentioned (plus Vision), all or most of the heroes who get dustified have movies in the pipeline, so it's obvious that they aren't gone permanently. the original six Avengers are all still left—and Strange said that sacrificing the Time Stone to save Stark's life and allow Thanos to get what he wanted had to happen in order for the 1 winning scenario to occur. so in A4 the question will be who of the characters who were left standing in IW will be toast, sacrificed to restore the rest of the universe. I'm betting on Cap' and Tony both sacrificing themselves. that's the real drama of the IW ending, IMO.

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[transmogrifier]

When trans sees this, he's going to hate it more than Black Panther.

Nah, nothing will be as boring as the interminable discussions about Wakanda politics in nondescript rooms over and over and over again.