View Poll Results: Like or dislike this movie, did you?

Voters
41. You may not vote on this poll
  • The Force is strong with this franchise.

    27 65.85%
  • Execute Order 66.

    14 34.15%
Page 4 of 28 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast
Results 76 to 100 of 685

Thread: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Rian Johnson)

  1. #76
    A Platypus Grouchy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    9,494
    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    And yet.... this movie has a worse story than any of them.
    Are you guys purposefully saying crazy stuff?

  2. #77
    Supporting Actor Zac Efron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    763
    I CANNOT wait for Red Letter Media to review this. Of all people out there, I agree with the conflicted take that Jeremy Jahns has on it.

  3. #78
    Kung Fu Hippie Watashi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Big Apple, 3 AM
    Posts
    11,345
    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    Well, the pivotal characters in the scene are Poe Dameron, Leia Organa and General Hux. So... the nameless characters are pilots for other ships, which makes sense and is completely consistent with every Star Wars film ever released. There are clear objectives to the scene - Leia wants to escape from the enemy fleet while Poe would rather engage and destroy it, disregarding the possible casualties.

    What you are describing sounds like a Michael Bay sequence, which is not what I saw on the theater.

    Anyway, while I loved that scene (and inmediately found it more arousing than, say, yet another remake of the "let's destroy this Death Star" videogame - which is what I love about this film, it finally covers new ground) the real highlight is the climatic battle with Kylo Ren and Luke. Loved the color scheme of red against white.
    Even the "faceless" characters like Rose's sister was given her moment of heroism. Not only does her sacrifice give weight and motivation when we meet Rose later, but it sets up the crux of the whole film, that heroism doesn't come from legends, but from every corner of the galaxy.
    Sure why not?

    STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (Rian Johnson) - 9
    STRONGER (David Gordon Green) - 6
    THE DISASTER ARTIST (James Franco) - 7
    THE FLORIDA PROJECT (Sean Baker) - 9
    LADY BIRD (Greta Gerwig) - 8


    "Hitchcock is really bad at suspense."
    - Stay Puft

  4. #79
    A Platypus Grouchy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    9,494
    Damn, you're right. TGM, you got served!

    I also liked Rose's sister because she had that kind of face, like a scientist character in a '60s Godzilla flick.

  5. #80
    A Platypus Grouchy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    9,494
    I will say this, the weak point of the film is Finn and Rose's casino adventure - the casino planet itself is great, but I found the animal cruelty message a bit too on-the-nose and laughable... and it was kind of weird that they didn't really achieve anything at the end.

  6. #81
    Moderator TGM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    3,819
    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    Well, the pivotal characters in the scene are Poe Dameron, Leia Organa and General Hux. So... the nameless characters are pilots for other ships, which makes sense and is completely consistent with every Star Wars film ever released. There are clear objectives to the scene - Leia wants to escape from the enemy fleet while Poe would rather engage and destroy it, disregarding the possible casualties.
    That's not quite what I meant by their objective. I understood all that, but when we were following the actual action of all the ships flying around, a lot of the time I couldn't actually tell who was doing what to what, and why and how? It was just shit flying all over the place, and edited together in a way that made it feel hard to follow the action. That's what I meant by "couldn't tell their objective". And yes, I know that the other movies also include nameless characters, however they're all shot and cut together in such a way that I'm never confused by what everyone is actually doing.

    You had mentioned though about the direction of the action, and that's what I'm curious about. What was it about the direction of these sequences that stood out to you as exceptional?

    I'll give you that final confrontation, at least in terms of the general atmosphere of it. Still thought it was hampered by Kylo's suddenly becoming a cartoon character by that point, but, *shrug*

    Quote Quoting Watashi (view post)
    Even the "faceless" characters like Rose's sister was given her moment of heroism. Not only does her sacrifice give weight and motivation when we meet Rose later, but it sets up the crux of the whole film, that heroism doesn't come from legends, but from every corner of the galaxy.
    This is actually a good point. Nice how moments like this can stand out when the movie actually focuses on them.

    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    Damn, you're right. TGM, you got served!
    Not really, I had already agreed before that that's when the sequence actually started to finally work.

  7. #82
    Quote Quoting Watashi (view post)
    Can you even tell me what The Phantom Menace is about?

    Not being snarky, but just curious, because that movie's plot is convoluted as hell.
    It’s about two guys finding some young kid and thinking he’s someone special. That’s about all that matters; it’s enough to make it better than whatever this is trying to be.
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    El
    (1973) 70
    The Day After
    (1983
    ) 63
    Duck, You Sucker (1971) 68
    Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) 71
    Noriko’s Dinner Party
    (2005) 61
    The Third Murder (2017) 56

    /Audition
    (1999) 85

    /Toy Story
    (1995) 65
    Vice (2018) 57
    The Counterfeit Traitor (1962) 62

    Stuff at Letterboxd
    Listening Habits at LastFM

  8. #83
    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    Are you guys purposefully saying crazy stuff?
    No. I genuinely think this is a bad movie and i genuinely think that if Lucas or Abrams had directed this, it would be more universally lambasted.
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    El
    (1973) 70
    The Day After
    (1983
    ) 63
    Duck, You Sucker (1971) 68
    Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) 71
    Noriko’s Dinner Party
    (2005) 61
    The Third Murder (2017) 56

    /Audition
    (1999) 85

    /Toy Story
    (1995) 65
    Vice (2018) 57
    The Counterfeit Traitor (1962) 62

    Stuff at Letterboxd
    Listening Habits at LastFM

  9. #84
    The Pan Scar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Tending Bar
    Posts
    7,987
    I felt like they tossed empire and Jedi into a blender and squished it into one movie. Rushed and overlong at the same time.
    “I have a very busy head. I have inside voices that I have learned to contain.”

  10. #85
    A Platypus Grouchy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    9,494
    Quote Quoting TGM (view post)
    You had mentioned though about the direction of the action, and that's what I'm curious about. What was it about the direction of these sequences that stood out to you as exceptional?
    Well, George Lucas has this stoic way of directing action (inspired by Kurosawa) which, even though it has become synonimous with the franchise, is not exactly energetic after forty years of action cinema. Sometimes it works great (the prequels have some pretty awesome duels shot in this style) and sometimes it's just boring. I don't really like Abrams either as a writer or as a director and I still haven't seen anything good that he's done, but he did try to get away from that - mainly by inserting his favorite post-production gimmick, the lens flare.

    Johnson just takes it to another level with skill and confidence. I don't remember the last time I forgot I was watching a Hollywood movie and actually felt that some character might be in danger. This movie did that for me.
    Last edited by Grouchy; 12-15-2017 at 06:23 PM.

  11. #86
    Kung Fu Hippie Watashi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Big Apple, 3 AM
    Posts
    11,345
    Yeah, The Last Jedi was probably the first film since A New Hope that felt directly inspired by Kurosawa films. The whole stand-off on Crait is a reflection of the best samurai films.
    Sure why not?

    STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (Rian Johnson) - 9
    STRONGER (David Gordon Green) - 6
    THE DISASTER ARTIST (James Franco) - 7
    THE FLORIDA PROJECT (Sean Baker) - 9
    LADY BIRD (Greta Gerwig) - 8


    "Hitchcock is really bad at suspense."
    - Stay Puft

  12. #87
    Kung Fu Hippie Watashi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Big Apple, 3 AM
    Posts
    11,345
    I think my weird complaint (and it's not really a complaint, but an observation) is how this new trilogy has sidelined major players like C3PO and R2D2. Though I did love R2's small reunion with Luke, he completely disappears after that scene. I feel like BB-8 has overtaken his role, but R2 is such an integral part in the previous trilogy, it feels like he's just a decoy for the fans.
    Sure why not?

    STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (Rian Johnson) - 9
    STRONGER (David Gordon Green) - 6
    THE DISASTER ARTIST (James Franco) - 7
    THE FLORIDA PROJECT (Sean Baker) - 9
    LADY BIRD (Greta Gerwig) - 8


    "Hitchcock is really bad at suspense."
    - Stay Puft

  13. #88
    Replacing Luck Since 1984 Dukefrukem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    36,207
    Quote Quoting Watashi (view post)
    The opening space battle of Revenge of the Sith is one of the worst "battles" ever put on screen in a Star Wars movie. It's like a bad PS3 cutscene.
    I'm avoiding most of the posts in this thread. But I just rewatched this scene when I saw your post, and I'm not finding it all that bad. I especially love the one shot intro, and the reveal when both their ships are far overhead the main battle. Then there's the ship that gets shot down and the camera does a slow pan and you can see the bodies floating in space. Very dark. And then when the buzz droids saw R4 in half.. that was cool too.

    What especially don't you like about this scene? There's some phyics issues in this scene... but what Star Wars doesn't have physics issues?

    Just Watched
    Nothing Until Black Widow

    Currently Playing | Played
    Tom Claney's Breakpoint ★★★˝

    TV Show Currently Watching | Watched
    Mandalorian (Favreau) ★★˝
    Jack Ryan (S2) ★★˝

    Currently Reading | Read
    Howard Stern Comes Again (Stern)


    Thoughts / Youtube / Film Diary

    Quote Quoting D_Davis (view post)
    Uwe Boll movies > all Marvel U movies

  14. #89
    A Platypus Grouchy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    9,494
    Heh, in this movie they open a hacht to let Leia back inside... why aren't they all sucked into space at that precise moment?
    Last edited by Grouchy; 12-16-2017 at 12:21 AM.

  15. #90
    Second star to the right [ETM]'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Novi Sad, Serbia
    Posts
    8,264
    Automatic forcefield, like the Empire uses on shuttle bays? Or the ones on Star Trek?

    Sent from my Mi A1 using Tapatalk

  16. #91
    Random thoughts on the thread so far:

    - Not enough mentions of porg-on-porg action. Where's the porg love, brothers and sisters?

    - Scar's and TGM's reactions are shocking and have me worried. (But I kinda dig Watashi's full-throated defense & enthusiasm.)

    - Waiting for Duke and Skitch to weigh in.

  17. #92
    Moderator TGM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    3,819
    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    Where's the porg love, brothers and sisters?.
    Not in this movie, that's for sure.

  18. #93
    The Pan Scar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Tending Bar
    Posts
    7,987
    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    Random thoughts on the thread so far:

    - Not enough mentions of porg-on-porg action. Where's the porg love, brothers and sisters?

    - Scar's and TGM's reactions are shocking and have me worried. (But I kinda dig Watashi's full-throated defense & enthusiasm.)

    - Waiting for Duke and Skitch to weigh in.
    I’m currently enjoying a bottle of bourbon barrel aged red wine and Rogue One, all while on 3 hours of sleep.
    “I have a very busy head. I have inside voices that I have learned to contain.”

  19. #94
    Screenwriter
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    2,256
    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    No. I genuinely think this is a bad movie and i genuinely think that if Lucas or Abrams had directed this, it would be more universally lambasted.
    Holy bad faith assumption alert. (Don't mind me, I should get used to it by now and somehow still don't)

    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    I will say this, the weak point of the film is Finn and Rose's casino adventure - the casino planet itself is great, but I found the animal cruelty message a bit too on-the-nose and laughable... and it was kind of weird that they didn't really achieve anything at the end.
    The execution is arguable, maybe should be more zippy or delve deeper (as in not concentrated to just Rose's one speech, although I liked the appearance of locals by the end). But conceptually I love that the the whole plotline, along with many minor details along the way, is a bigger demonstration of the conflict between Dern and Isaac.
    Midnight Run (1988) - 9
    The Smiling Lieutenant (1931) - 8.5
    The Adventures of Robinhood (1938) - 8
    Sisters (1973) - 6.5
    Shin Godzilla (2016) - 7.5

  20. #95
    Kung Fu Hippie Watashi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Big Apple, 3 AM
    Posts
    11,345
    Porgs definitely fuck.
    Sure why not?

    STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (Rian Johnson) - 9
    STRONGER (David Gordon Green) - 6
    THE DISASTER ARTIST (James Franco) - 7
    THE FLORIDA PROJECT (Sean Baker) - 9
    LADY BIRD (Greta Gerwig) - 8


    "Hitchcock is really bad at suspense."
    - Stay Puft

  21. #96
    I think I'm done with Disney crap.

    [
    ]

  22. #97
    Sunshine and peace Wryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Charleston
    Posts
    5,850
    This was weird as hell. The last hour was filled with so many false-stops I thought it was never going to let me leave the theater. And yet there are some moments that rank with the greatest SW moments in the entire saga. Annnnd then there's Leia the space angel. The casino interlude was not terribly interesting. I don't know what Hux's function here is supposed to be. Goddamn Driver puts everything into this; he's terrific. I liked the exploration of Luke's ambivalence with his legend and his connection to the Force. Was totally surprised by the appearance of [
    ], but that turned into a nice moment.

    The last hour has so many cool moments that probably deserved their own movie so we wouldn't be so exhausted by that point that we can't enjoy them as much. I don't think I'll sit thru this again in theaters. But I'd be happy to watch it again sometime.
    "How is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home wine-making course and forgot how to drive?"

    --Homer

  23. #98
    Moderator Dead & Messed Up's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    New Canaan, where to the shepherd come the sheep.
    Posts
    10,620
    I liked it more than TFA and Rogue One. The Luke/Rey/Kylo action was all interesting and well-executed. Agreed with many that I wasn't as invested in the casino adventure, although my take on the animal discussion was that she was speaking metaphorically about suffering her tribe had endured. A lot of the character work that I wasn't as impressed with felt carried over from TFA (specifically that Finn in this film is more function than character, whereas in the last film he was basically whatever Abrams wanted him to be at any given moment). There's a lot of exciting ideas in the film, especially the overall theme of being willing to let go of the past to forge your own future.

    [
    ]

    On that note, appreciated a number of reveals and surprises in the film:

    [
    ]

    While there's nothing in the film that gave me the emotions I felt in the first two Star Wars films, there was a real ambition and drive here to futz with the formula, to shirk the overall regality and borderline-masturbatory honorings of the prior two films. Like Watashi says, this film is in many ways a piss-take to The Force Awakens, saying, "Oh, yeah, what else you got?" It's maybe my favorite of this franchise since the original three - not quite as good as I'd privately hoped, but sturdier on a dramatic level than either previous Disney offering, more willing to venture off the beaten path, and even when it's replicating, it's subverting.

    [
    ]

    There were definitely moments where I wasn't sure how I felt about developments (an escape for Leia, a crucial moment with Luke at the end), but I'd like to watch the film again to see how they settle. This is a beast of a movie, so another viewing where I can spend more time paying attention to the character dynamics, their goals and motivations and self-discovery, will help me gain a better sense of it all.

  24. #99
    Moderator Dead & Messed Up's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    New Canaan, where to the shepherd come the sheep.
    Posts
    10,620
    Also, regarding Luke and Ben's confrontation in this film:

    [
    ]

  25. #100
    A Platypus Grouchy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    9,494
    Yeah, I thought that was well handled. [
    ] After all, the whole saga is about balance between light and darkness.

Page 4 of 28 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
An forum