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    Coco (Lee Unkrich)

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    BlacKkKlansman (Lee, 2018) **** / 9.1
    Murder On The Orient Express (Branagh, 2017) *** / 8.3
    Mission: Impossible Fallout (McQuarrie, 2018) *** / 8.8
    Blindspotting (Estrada, 2018) *** / 8.4
    Leave No Trace (Granik, 2018) *** / 8.6
    Eighth Grade (Burnham, 2018) *** / 8.5
    Sorry To Bother You (Riley, 2018) **** / 9.2
    Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (Bayona, 2018) ** / 5.9
    2001: A Space Odyssey [in 70mm] (Kubrick, 1968) **** / 10

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    It's a lovely thing to feel that sigh of relief and recollection of, "Ah right, this is what a Pixar masterpiece feels like."

    As much as I did really like Inside Out, Monsters University, and Toy Story 3, those were ultimately still somewhat mid-tier of their output for me, which probably tempered my expectations even more for Coco to astonish me like it did, having it now in my mind as easily the best thing they've made this decade, which is also to say it's my favourite thing they've created since the consecutive triple triumph of Ratatouille, WALL-E and Up through 2007 and 2009.

    It just hit me perfectly. I can't even describe what it is that makes it so special, except possibly everything about it. I couldn't even tell you why certain sequences made me cry like they did (as in, not necessarily the obvious sob-points), but it just enveloped me and enchanted me in such a profound and thorough way. It's a masterfully constructed story (no matter how much of it you put together early on, as I did, before the way it unfolded still managing huge surprises) realized with boundless visual creativity and endless heart. Juuuust beautiful.

    It feels good to push a Pixar film into a Top 10 list again. It's been far too long. (And if this really is the last non-sequel we get from them for a while, then hey, we still got this!)
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    BlacKkKlansman (Lee, 2018) **** / 9.1
    Murder On The Orient Express (Branagh, 2017) *** / 8.3
    Mission: Impossible Fallout (McQuarrie, 2018) *** / 8.8
    Blindspotting (Estrada, 2018) *** / 8.4
    Leave No Trace (Granik, 2018) *** / 8.6
    Eighth Grade (Burnham, 2018) *** / 8.5
    Sorry To Bother You (Riley, 2018) **** / 9.2
    Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (Bayona, 2018) ** / 5.9
    2001: A Space Odyssey [in 70mm] (Kubrick, 1968) **** / 10

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    I got to see this at a press screening last Monday, and my review will be up in the next couple days. Until then, all I can say is this: Henry is absolutely right. Despite its familiarity, it belongs in the upper tier of Pixar's filmography.
    Last Five Films I've Seen

    Life Itself (Fogelman, 2018) 2.5
    Widows (McQueen, 2018) 9.5
    Venom (Fleischer, 2018) 2.5
    First Man (Chazelle, 2018) 9
    Let The Corpses Tan (Cattet/Forzani, 2018) 8
    Assassination Nation (Levinson, 2018) 9

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    Last Five Films I've Seen

    Life Itself (Fogelman, 2018) 2.5
    Widows (McQueen, 2018) 9.5
    Venom (Fleischer, 2018) 2.5
    First Man (Chazelle, 2018) 9
    Let The Corpses Tan (Cattet/Forzani, 2018) 8
    Assassination Nation (Levinson, 2018) 9

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    That's good to hear. I'm a big Inside Out fan, so the reports of Pixar's death have been greatly exaggerated.
    Ratings on a 1-10 scale for your pleasure:

    A Star Is Born (2018) - 7
    Venom - 6
    Sixteen Candles - 7
    A Simple Favor - 7
    The Predator - 5
    The Godfather - 10
    Touch of Evil - 8
    BlacKkKlansman - 6
    Eighth Grade - 8
    Blindspotting - 7

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    This was magnificent.

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    Quote Quoting Pop Trash (view post)
    That's good to hear. I'm a big Inside Out fan, so the reports of Pixar's death have been greatly exaggerated.
    It's one of their best, I think. Better than Wall-E or Up. It's got a great message for kids.

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    How's the music?
    Matchcut: A vicious snowflake

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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    How's the music?
    Really damn good, though I admittedly would've liked more of it.

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    Maybe more thoughts later, but learning a few hours before the film that your 93-year-old grandma, whom we already plan to fly to visit in hospital this weekend, has conditions worsen is one way to be utterly devastated by it, not that it needs help in that department anyway. The 20-minute sickly sweet, all-cute-all-the-time Olaf short by Disney has also provided a contrast early on in the film why I love Pixar: in their world old people still look like old people (such realistic wrinkles) and stray dogs do look like stray dogs; details like these really add to the film (justtttt on the right side of slightly disgusting).
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    Midnight Run (1988) - 9
    The Smiling Lieutenant (1931) - 8.5
    The Adventures of Robinhood (1938) - 8
    Sisters (1973) - 6.5
    Shin Godzilla (2016) - 7.5

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    Posted my full thoughts on both this and the attached Frozen short on my blog, for anyone interested: https://cwiddop.blogspot.com/2017/11...adventure.html

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    That Frozen short: You went full Jar Jar Binks, man. Never go full Jar Jar Binks. 4/10

    Coco:

    Feels like Pixar doing Disney, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. There's a lack of Pixar's innovation or madcap/unusual plotting in the overall arc, in which even my least favorite of theirs like A Bug's Life or the two Cars sequels still possess. Excepting the inspiringly telenova-influenced backstory bit, this has all the structure of most latter-day Disney's go-accomplish-a-mission-learn-a-thing-and-back features.

    But in place of Pixar's thematic layers/conceptual ambitions, we have details after loving details of lovely character works, wondrous sights to behold, and lived-in cultural authenticity that never feel (to this non-Mexican foreign eye anyway) pandering or tourist-y, be it the incorporation of languages, places, or absolutely wonderful music. Plus, having an element of telenova alongsides Pixar's usual pathos of time make for an irresistibly big and earnest story that feel so appropriately winning in its reach for emotions. Even the visual conception of the titular character already has me a bit verklempt upon her first appearance, in how realistically she's rendered (perhaps optimally designed to inspire flashbacks to one's own relative) even in her cartoonish-ness. But maybe don't mind me on this one, I'm the weird one who still gets a bit misty at the sight of Toy Story 3's old, slow, and barely-bother-to-move Buster every damn time. 8/10
    Midnight Run (1988) - 9
    The Smiling Lieutenant (1931) - 8.5
    The Adventures of Robinhood (1938) - 8
    Sisters (1973) - 6.5
    Shin Godzilla (2016) - 7.5

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    FUCK OLAF
    Ratings on a 1-10 scale for your pleasure:

    A Star Is Born (2018) - 7
    Venom - 6
    Sixteen Candles - 7
    A Simple Favor - 7
    The Predator - 5
    The Godfather - 10
    Touch of Evil - 8
    BlacKkKlansman - 6
    Eighth Grade - 8
    Blindspotting - 7

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    Quote Quoting Pop Trash (view post)
    FUCK OLAF

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    As a Mexican I can say this movie gets Mexico more than most Mexicans (including me) and (as expected from Pixar) does storytelling and emotion better than pretty much every Mexican media. Amazing film. Made me cry.

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    Yeah, this is easily one of the best films of the year.

    Easily.

    Part of the pleasure too was knowing exactly where it was going with certain story assumptions, and then to see that - even with some expectations of the twists of the story - the character work and underlying theme was so expertly done that by the end you want those predictions to come true.

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    Fabulous. Wow. What a huge relief a great movie can be. How unbelievably therapeutic.

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    Pixar's best movie I think.

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    Am I the only shriveled-hearted individual who didn't like this? Just seemed like more of the same from Pixar, who have made one good movie in the last 10 years. They can't seem to stop going back to the old 'seemingly good guy turns to be moustache-twirling villain' well either, much to my annoyance. I'll give it one thing, it's a million times better than the execrable The Book of Life.

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    Quote Quoting StanleyK (view post)
    Am I the only shriveled-hearted individual who didn't like this? Just seemed like more of the same from Pixar, who have made one good movie in the last 10 years. They can't seem to stop going back to the old 'seemingly good guy turns to be moustache-twirling villain' well either, much to my annoyance. I'll give it one thing, it's a million times better than the execrable The Book of Life.
    I think the story is a little paint-by-numbers, esp. the villain who you mention. That said, you know what isn't paint-by-numbers? The actual digital "paint" up on screen. Boy howdy is this a gorgeous movie! Pixar's best looking movie to date.
    Ratings on a 1-10 scale for your pleasure:

    A Star Is Born (2018) - 7
    Venom - 6
    Sixteen Candles - 7
    A Simple Favor - 7
    The Predator - 5
    The Godfather - 10
    Touch of Evil - 8
    BlacKkKlansman - 6
    Eighth Grade - 8
    Blindspotting - 7

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