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Thread: The Shape of Water (Guillermo del Toro)

  1. #51
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    They tell us that the creature is a god, so I take them at their word.
    The cat scene kind of ruins this idea though, given that it makes our fishy friend out to be a bog standard wild animal.
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    How does eating a cat equate to a lack of intelligence? It can just be chalked up to a difference in custom based on wildly different backgrounds and life perspectives. You know, like on ALF.
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    The entire basis of this film is what if the Creature From The Black Lagoon fell in love. I am a big picture kind of guy, so the details do not matter as much to me.
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    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    Because (a) it is another species and (b) the fact the other species is portrayed as little more intelligent than your average German Shepherd.
    The Creature of the Black Lagoon and King Kong weren't exactly rocket scientists either.

  5. #55
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    The Creature of the Black Lagoon and King Kong weren't exactly rocket scientists either.
    I can't speak for the first one, as I've never seen anything to do with it, but I don't remember Ann and Kong getting it on. Which is the point of my objection.
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    No, but there was plenty of erotic tension around them. The size difference would be hard to overcome.

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    Fay Wray's vagina was famous for its elasticity.
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  8. #58
    I get the critique, but it didn’t really bother me while watching the film. I think the film is more broadly about love born out of understanding, not “romantic love.” Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think the film is aiming to give you flutters in the traditional rom-com sense, so the creature’s credibility as a sexual interest for Eliza is kind of immaterial to the overall experience, unless the mere idea of it is just that off-putting.

    Plus, Eliza is kind of cooky and that itself was an obvious calculation on Del Toro’s part to make the whole thing more believable.
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    Read an amazing post today.

    They missed such a great opportunity not calling this “Grinding Nemo”.
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  11. #61
    Quote Quoting Spinal (view post)
    How does eating a cat equate to a lack of intelligence? It can just be chalked up to a difference in custom based on wildly different backgrounds and life perspectives. You know, like on ALF.
    Fishman acts exactly like a wild animal in this instance and Richard Jenkins' character expressly states something along the lines of "Well, you don't know any better, you are just an animal".

    I mean, it is possible to have scenes in your movie where people mistake a god for a semi-sentient wild creature based on their prejudices, but it would help to also have scenes where, you know, the creature acts as if it has an inner life and sentient thought beyond simple "Pain sucks" and "Eggs good". I would have bought Hawkins' character fucking Alf over what TSOW manages to deliver.
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    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    I would have bought Hawkins' character fucking Alf
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  13. #63
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    Sequel?
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    No one for Grinding Nemo? Really?
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    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
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    Wait, wat? Are you misremembering how it ended or is this a reading I never bothered to consider?

    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    No one for Grinding Nemo? Really?
    Maybe this has just been a particularly long awards season that's skewing my perception, but it honestly feels like I started hearing this all the way back in the year 2017. Also Ben Shapiro now being a consistent champion/repeater of it makes it significantly less fun to think about.
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  16. #66
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    Wait, wat? Are you misremembering how it ended or is this a reading I never bothered to consider?.
    The movie is bookended by narration from Jenkins’ character (for some reason) as if he was telling the tale. I think the ending we see is his embellishment because he frames the whole thing as a fairytale. Because otherwise I’d have to conclude that the ending was bloody stupid.
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    Quote Quoting Henry Gale (view post)
    Wait, wat? Are you misremembering how it ended or is this a reading I never bothered to consider?



    Maybe this has just been a particularly long awards season that's skewing my perception, but it honestly feels like I started hearing this all the way back in the year 2017. Also Ben Shapiro now being a consistent champion/repeater of it makes it significantly less fun to think about.
    I’d never heard it til yesterday and thought it was kinda brilliant.
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    Quote Quoting Spinal (view post)
    Sequel?
    More Alf sounds good to me. And I feel the SOW's ending was left wide open.
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