...Currently rumored to be about the Manson murders?
...Currently rumored to be about the Manson murders?
Can't wait.
My initial instinct is that this may not be a good idea. But he's successfully navigated tricky terrain before, so we'll see. In Django, he sided with a freed slave. With Basterds, he put us on the side of Nazi-killers. Hopefully he'll find a way to similarly make this palatable.
Coming to America (Landis, 1988) **
The Beach Bum (Korine, 2019) *1/2
Us (Peele, 2019) ***1/2
Fugue (Smoczynska, 2018) ***1/2
Prisoners (Villeneuve, 2013) ***1/2
Shadow (Zhang, 2018) ***
Oslo, August 31st (J. Trier, 2011) ****
Climax (Noé, 2018) **1/2
Fighting With My Family (Merchant, 2019) **
Upstream Color (Carruth, 2013) ***
Wouldn't it have been trickier if he had put us on the side of the nazis?Quoting Spinal (view post)
I guess what I'm saying is 'please define tricky?'
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Certain subject matter can be unpleasantly exploitative and tasteless if the artist does not find the correct angle. Tarantino has mostly avoided this trap in the past, which is why I am giving him the benefit of the doubt here.Quoting Morris Schæffer (view post)
Coming to America (Landis, 1988) **
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Fugue (Smoczynska, 2018) ***1/2
Prisoners (Villeneuve, 2013) ***1/2
Shadow (Zhang, 2018) ***
Oslo, August 31st (J. Trier, 2011) ****
Climax (Noé, 2018) **1/2
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Upstream Color (Carruth, 2013) ***
Quoting Spinal (view post)
Ah yes agreed of course.
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QT wants Pitt and J Lawrence.
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How is this tricky? I mean you kind of explain below, given that he's stepping foot in the slave narrative and Holocaust narrative tradition with genre films, but as a genre film, it's not tricky at all. They're masterfully executed revenge narratives where the audience identifies with victims of the worst atrocities imaginable. That's why I'm skeptical about how this film is going to work. If it's not a revenge narrative, then I can see it. But I imagine it would have to be something quite unlike what he's done before.Quoting Spinal (view post)
See my latest blog entry: The Wolf of Wall Street and The New Cinema of Excess
Tarantino is known for an embrace of stylized violence coupled with flippant humor. Unless he finds the right artistic angle, this could be really a poor match considering the gruesomeness and the specificity of the horror. With Nazis or slave owners, we're talking about a large movement of badness. It's easier to plug in your rewrite of history. The Manson case is specific with a very specific set of atrocities that happened to very specific people. It will have to be a different film than he's done before.Quoting Izzy Black (view post)
Coming to America (Landis, 1988) **
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Us (Peele, 2019) ***1/2
Fugue (Smoczynska, 2018) ***1/2
Prisoners (Villeneuve, 2013) ***1/2
Shadow (Zhang, 2018) ***
Oslo, August 31st (J. Trier, 2011) ****
Climax (Noé, 2018) **1/2
Fighting With My Family (Merchant, 2019) **
Upstream Color (Carruth, 2013) ***
I agree with this, which is why I don't think IB and DU are any obvious indication or precedent that the task ahead is a comparable challenge.Quoting Spinal (view post)
See my latest blog entry: The Wolf of Wall Street and The New Cinema of Excess
I mention them only as evidence that, despite his reputation as a provocateur and exploiter of violence, he understands what it's like to be a moviegoer and to want to see some semblance of hope in humanity.Quoting Izzy Black (view post)
Coming to America (Landis, 1988) **
The Beach Bum (Korine, 2019) *1/2
Us (Peele, 2019) ***1/2
Fugue (Smoczynska, 2018) ***1/2
Prisoners (Villeneuve, 2013) ***1/2
Shadow (Zhang, 2018) ***
Oslo, August 31st (J. Trier, 2011) ****
Climax (Noé, 2018) **1/2
Fighting With My Family (Merchant, 2019) **
Upstream Color (Carruth, 2013) ***
Twist: Manson family survives, goes on to plan a jewel heist.
Tarantino movie not a western? Sweet.
That's my reaction too.Quoting Skitch (view post)
Obviously, no idea of the kind of approach he's taking here. Is he doing it in his supposed "real world" that Jackie Brown, Pulp Fiction, and Reservoir Dogs take place in, or his "movie world" of Kill Bill and Basterds?
I thought Basterds was supposed to be in his "real world".Quoting Ezee E (view post)
I fully enjoyed his western entries, but I'd prefer he moves to a more modern setting.
Saying that, I almost forgot about Hateful Eight. Wow...
Hateful Eight is a great film. I don't know what quality of cinema you watch on a daily basis, Ezee, but even if it's not an instant classic, it's better than 95% of what I get to see.
I like it too. Just kept thinking Django was his last movie.Quoting Grouchy (view post)
Margot Robbie as Sharon Tate apparently. Not 100% final but it's who they want.
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I think I was initially mixed. I've grown to like it more over time, but I don't think it compares to Django/Bill/Basterds at all.Quoting Grouchy (view post)
I'm wondering if Hateful Eight is a new transition for character-focused stories.
Res / Pulp / Jackie
Bill / Basterds / Django
Hateful Eight is next??
Well, he seems to be liking his movies to take place in closed quarters more and more, which would fit the Manson story.
I would be very disappointed if the movie is just confined to the incident at Polanski's house.Quoting Grouchy (view post)
Movie Theater DiaryQuoting Donald Glover
Good subject matter for a James Ellroy-style crime epic.Quoting number8 (view post)