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    Orange is the New Black (Season 4)

    Holy crap, has anyone here seen this yet?

    Quote Quoting DavidSeven, commenting on Season 3
    I definitely felt they got back to some of the light-heartedness that made Season 1 so good.
    Piper is no longer the "lead"; she's now just part of the ensemble, and so much the better. The writing on this show mirrors current events like no other show on television. It's definitely darker and more harrowing (and no longer a "comedy" by the way). As a fan of the first three seasons, it's hard to describe how the last two episodes of this season have affected me.

    This season is fucking special.

    Oh, and Lori Petty, you will richly deserve the Emmy that you are likely to receive.



    Do NOT read this until you've seen all of Season 4. If you have finished Season 4, then read it because it is so awesome.
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    Only a couple eps left, but I'm kind of done with this show. Its not bad, I just find myself completely losing interest. Lori Petty does deserve attention.
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    This season really grabbed me after being underwhelmed by seasons 2 & 3. I felt a strong sense of direction and purpose. Cutting down focus on Piper was a wise move, as was limiting flashbacks to episodes where they are narratively useful.

    I also feel like they weren't pulling their punches. This season had some real stakes, and both the physically and psychological violence hit hard. (Baby mouse... brrrrrrr.

    The penultimate episode knocked me on my butt. The last episode kicked me when I was down. But the last five seconds made me yell "STOP. STOP IT." And then I cried for several minutes and I honestly can't remember the last time a show brought me to tears.
    ...and the milk's in me.

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    Quote Quoting Mara (view post)
    The penultimate episode knocked me on my butt. The last episode kicked me when I was down. But the last five seconds made me yell "STOP. STOP IT." And then I cried for several minutes and I honestly can't remember the last time a show brought me to tears.
    Same here. Those last two episodes felt like the big payoff, not just for this season, but for the series as a whole. Particularly after having come to know the characters so well.

    Oh, and about those last 5 seconds? [
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    Read the link I posted in my previous post. And have the tissues handy.
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    I'll have to finish this season they way you guys are talking about it. Who knows, maybe it can snag me again.

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    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    I'll have to finish this season they way you guys are talking about it. Who knows, maybe it can snag me again.
    Believe me, you are going to want to watch the entirety of Season 4 of Orange is the New Black. Simply because those last two episodes are game-changers. I would put those up against the last two episodes of Game of Thrones (apples and oranges, I know). As phenomenal as those last two episodes of GoT were, I have to give the slight edge to Orange. All I know is, we're in a new Golden Age of television, and it's real and it's spectacular.

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    WOW, okay I will. (He said as though he had a choice, because wife is still into it.)

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    I hung around for THAT? That carried zero emotional weight. If she fell against a wall it wouldve been more impactful but that?? Man that felt cheap and exploitive. I felt nothing off of that moment. Nothing. Maybe just anger at weak writing. Sorry, but there are half a dozen better angles they couldve easily gone.

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    I'm 3 episodes into Season 4. I didn't watch any of Season 3. Why doesn't anyone care that one of the guards is missing? I know he was just a hitman or whatever, but he still worked there. Isn't anyone wondering why he isn't showing up for shifts?

    Also, I don't think Lori Petty is giving a good performance. I think Lori Petty is just acting like herself.

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    Quote Quoting amberlita (view post)
    I'm 3 episodes into Season 4. I didn't watch any of Season 3. Why doesn't anyone care that one of the guards is missing? I know he was just a hitman or whatever, but he still worked there. Isn't anyone wondering why he isn't showing up for shifts?
    In the last episode of Season 3, most of the guards staged a walkout en masse. As far as anyone knew, he was part of that walkout.

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    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    I hung around for THAT? That carried zero emotional weight. If she fell against a wall it wouldve been more impactful but that?? Man that felt cheap and exploitive. I felt nothing off of that moment. Nothing. Maybe just anger at weak writing. Sorry, but there are half a dozen better angles they couldve easily gone.
    Skitch, I appreciate your feedback and I think I understand your reaction.

    The entire season was so obviously highly politicized that it couldn't help but be divided on certain drawn lines. What I don't understand is when you say "that carried zero emotional weight'.

    Use spoilers if you have to, but could you explain that reaction for me?

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    Quote Quoting Russ (view post)
    Skitch, I appreciate your feedback and I think I understand your reaction.

    The entire season was so obviously highly politicized that it couldn't help but be divided on certain drawn lines. What I don't understand is when you say "that carried zero emotional weight'.

    Use spoilers if you have to, but could you explain that reaction for me?
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    But thats just me. Maybe I'm all wrong and it was meaningful.

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    Thanks, Skitch, I really appreciate your feedback. I'll add some thoughts to follow.

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    In the last episode of Season 3, most of the guards staged a walkout en masse. As far as anyone knew, he was part of that walkout.
    Oh ok. That makes sense. That's been alluded to a few times.

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    Quote Quoting Russ (view post)
    Thanks, Skitch, I really appreciate your feedback. I'll add some thoughts to follow.
    In talking with my neighbor, we've come to conclusion I havent finished yet. I guess I was mistaken thinking that was last ep. I will finish this season, and I'll back off emotion a bit because I sincerely thought that was how they were ending it .

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    For me, the "event" was the culmination of the themes of the season, but I will wait on my thoughts until you watch the last episode.
    ...and the milk's in me.

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    amberlita, have you seen Lori Petty's flashback episode? The actress who played the young version of Lolly, Christina Brucato, absolutely nailed Petty's character's mannerisms to a tee. It was a truly amazing thing to see!


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    Quote Quoting Mara (view post)
    For me, the "event" was the culmination of the themes of the season, but I will wait on my thoughts until you watch the last episode.
    Agree 100%.

    For me, the two big themes were:

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    Quote Quoting Russ (view post)
    amberlita, have you seen Lori Petty's flashback episode? The actress who played the young version of Lolly, Christina Brucato, absolutely nailed Petty's character's mannerisms to a tee. It was a truly amazing thing to see!

    We had to look up who she was because we were convinced she was Pettys daughter or something. Scary good performance.

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    See and I thought [
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    See my confusion? Well dont worry, dumb dumb here will finish the season and reevaluate. I stand by my thoughts on that other event though

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    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    See and I thought [
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    See my confusion? Well dont worry, dumb dumb here will finish the season and reevaluate. I stand by my thoughts on that other event though
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    ...and the milk's in me.

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    Quote Quoting Russ (view post)
    amberlita, have you seen Lori Petty's flashback episode? The actress who played the young version of Lolly, Christina Brucato, absolutely nailed Petty's character's mannerisms to a tee. It was a truly amazing thing to see!
    Oh yeah she was fantastic. I actually thought at first blush that it was Lori Petty with a wig on and a hella good make-up job. She definitely nailed it.

    I finished the season. It's hard to say how good it is in the entire scope of four seasons because I became so disillusioned with it in season 2, completely skipping season 3, but I thought it was extremely watchable. I suspect, though, that I wouldn't have found it as well-done as I did if a friend hadn't sent me this link a few weeks ago:
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...tigation-bauer

    Moreso than anything this season seemed to be an indictment on the privatization of prisons, which I knew very little about until reading that extremely long but incredibly fascinating article. While I understand Skitch's perspective to a point [
    ], I think it was a poignant move to highlight the degradation of the system by making its two "victims" be two of the most decent people on the show. Any of the others that you mentioned, Skitch...they are all players. They want to upend the system or exploit it, whatever. These two, though? Just caught up in it to tragic end.

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    Now that Ive actually watched the real season ender, I agree amberlita. The really sent her off well and painfully touching, makes me feel much better about everything. Again, my outrage was fully in the mindset that previous ep was season ender, so it felt just so damn cold.

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    Glad the last episode mitigated it for you a little bit. My thoughts:

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    Side note: how freaking great was Beth Dover this year? I was disappointed she only had a couple lines last year and thought it was a total waste, but she brought it. Oh, Linda from Purchasing, you're nuts.
    ...and the milk's in me.

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    I agree with just about everything you said, but [
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    Granted, we dont know where its headed, but I hope we have someone really sympathetic in season 5.

    Edit : also, tears for me too. Could bearly handle the retrospective aspects.

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