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    Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

    Just got back. It's boring, unexciting, i felt no euphoria with the titular titans. In spite of all the flash and fx in the world, this movie succeeds in rendering bats and supes ordinary. They're vessels for bringing down noise and excess on unfortunate moviegoers. i think that affleck's portrayal of batman is faintly intriguing but he's in a shitty movie. This is what the trailers promised and boy did it deliver.
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    Given my usual opinion on Snyder, my reaction will probably be written off as a hater, but my god, this was unfathomably bad. It was not just boring as hell, it's unnecessarily confusing. The movie is called Batman v Superman, and yet when the one and only fight starts, I was not clear on why they're fighting. The movie starts with a good enough reason, which is Bruce Wayne being pissed about the destruction of Metropolis, but then there's a whole two hours afterwards of government hearings and The Flash warning from the future and Luthor doing something or other and I didn't understand any of it. Holy shit, why would you make a movie like this this complicated? Just utterly shit.

    The Justice League cameos were the worst "wink wink future franchise" derailing of a movie since Iron Man 2.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    The movie is called Batman v Superman, and yet when the one and only fight starts, I was not clear on why they're fighting.
    I've read this from a few sources, so you're not alone.

    Also, I heard that Batman is .... uh .. .different?

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    Jesus Christ, what the fuck were they thinking? How do you take a character like Batman and have him do that?

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    Jesus Christ, what the fuck were they thinking? How do you take a character like Batman and have him do that?
    Because Zack Snyder.
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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)

    Also, I heard that Batman is .... uh .. .different?

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    Jesus Christ, what the fuck were they thinking? How do you take a character like Batman and have him do that?
    I fail to see the problem here. It's a reinterpretation of the character, possibly appropriate for the times we live in. No holds barred, relentless, violent, grim, but as I said this Batman is part of a messy movie which still makes it impossible to feel anything for the character.
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    • Point Blank (Boorman, 1967) ✦✦✦ [-]
    • Bone Tomahawk (Zahler, 2015) ✦✦✦✦
    • The Breakfast Club (Hughes, 1985) ✦✦✦ [-]
    • Dunkirk (Nolan, 2017) ✦✦✦✦ -- rewatch
    • Thief (Mann, 1981) ✦✦✦ [+]
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    Quote Quoting Morris Schæffer (view post)
    I fail to see the problem here. It's a reinterpretation of the character, possibly appropriate for the times we live in. No holds barred, relentless, violent, grim, but as I said this Batman is part of a messy movie which still makes it impossible to feel anything for the character.
    Yeah, honestly, I was so bored and restless by the movie that by the time he started mowing people down with guns I couldn't be bothered to muster any nerdrage about it.

    It's meant to be Frank Miller's Batman anyway. The big scene where he overtly shoots someone to death is adapted verbatim from a scene in Dark Knight Returns.
    Quote Quoting Donald Glover
    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    Quote Quoting number8 (view post)
    It's meant to be Frank Miller's Batman anyway. The big scene where he overtly shoots someone to death is adapted verbatim from a scene in Dark Knight Returns.
    Batman shoots someone to death in Dark Knight Returns?
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    Quote Quoting number8 (view post)
    Yeah, honestly, I was so bored and restless by the movie that by the time he started mowing people down with guns I couldn't be bothered to muster any nerdrage about it.

    It's meant to be Frank Miller's Batman anyway. The big scene where he overtly shoots someone to death is adapted verbatim from a scene in Dark Knight Returns.
    What's at stake for the Batman/Wayne character? [
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    • The Nun (Hardy, 2018) ✦½ [+]
    • Point Blank (Boorman, 1967) ✦✦✦ [-]
    • Bone Tomahawk (Zahler, 2015) ✦✦✦✦
    • The Breakfast Club (Hughes, 1985) ✦✦✦ [-]
    • Dunkirk (Nolan, 2017) ✦✦✦✦ -- rewatch
    • Thief (Mann, 1981) ✦✦✦ [+]
    • Son of Saul (Nemes, 2015) ✦✦✦ [+]
    • Hudson Hawk (Lehmann, 1991) [+]
    • Extraction (Hargrave, 2020) ✦✦½ [-]

    TV

    • Cobra Kai (S1) ✦✦✦✦ / His Dark Materials (S1) ✦✦½ [+] / Star Trek: Picard (S1) ✦✦ [-]
    • Ozark (S3) ✦✦✦✦ / Ozark (S2) ✦✦✦½ [-] / Homeland (S8) ✦✦✦✦

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    LAST THINGS BOUGHT

    • Edge of Tomorrow (Liman, 2014) -- Blu-Ray 3D / Warner Bros
    • San Andreas (Peyton, 2015) -- Blu-Ray 3D / Warner Bros
    • Shaun of the Dead / Hot Fuzz / The World's End (Wright, 2004/2007/2013) -- Blu-Ray / Universal Studios
    • Glory (Zwick, 1989) -- UHD 4K / Sony Pictures
    • The Bridge on the River Kwai (Lean, 1957) -- UHD 4K / Sony Pictures


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    My screening finished about four hours ago but there's still so much to wrap my head around with this and I'm still so genuinely befuddled that I'm basically just going to respond to all of your posts as they most lined up with my swirling thoughts here.

    Quote Quoting TGM (view post)
    Sure, it's messy in places, but fuck it, I liked it!
    Going in very hopeful but slightly more worried, this was the reaction I most wanted to have. 'Twas not meant to be.

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    By the way, Eisenberg's performance is even more manic than the trailers suggest (can you believe they used the most subdued parts?), but even so, he's not the worst thing about this Luthor. The character is all over the place. I don't even fully understand why he's getting Batman and Superman to fight.

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    I think Eisenberg is weirdly compelling, if in an obviously very surface level way. I kinda love his final moment, cross dissolving into that call-back, but otherwise, he had no choice but to play him dumb, irrational, and perfunctorily evil, since that's all the script has him as.

    But I also have no way of knowing if what you spoilered actually happened, because this movie is general is just a big download of confusion for me right now.

    Quote Quoting Peng (view post)
    This begins and ends OK. I liked the reframing of MoS' end through Wayne's point of view, and the climatic fight has more variety and players (including one or two that has different vulnerabilities) than the endless loop that is last film's climax. Almost everything in between, however, is bad. If I watched this at home, I would fast-forward through every scene with Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor. The actor isn't actually bad for me, per se (he and Gadot seem the only ones to have some fun), but the material he was given is truly atrocious.
    I agree with some of this positivity! The first 10-15 minutes almost made me think I'd be in the minority oddly defending this, since the Bruce Wayne to the rescue in Metropolis' 9/11 stuff works much better than it should (even if it really does seem to lock the movie into his perspective and villainize Supes early on) and paints him as a heroic version of the character we don't really see again. And, dare I say it, the parents' death scene might be one the most elegantly shot pieces of superhero filmmaking I can think of(??) and maybe an even more haunting version of it than Nolan's(??!!!!) [
    ] It's super weird that they set the opening titles to all of it, but boy is that and the cave bit afterwards gorgeous stuff. If you're going to show mythology we've already seen done so recently (The ol' Webb's Spider-Man conundrum) that's pretty much how you do it. Make it dreamier and weirder and largely wordless.

    Speaking of dreams! What the hell is the post-apocalyptic sequence even supposed to function as? If that had been pushed to the beginning of the movie, I can imagine it being a foreboding, metaphoric melting pot of Wayne subconscious fears, and dropping it before a larger chronological context might make us think twice of what world we're walking into with the film. But where it's actually placed? It slows everything down horrifically and barely functions as anything compelling. Then the Flash thing happens and it tries to look like a dream-within-a-dream? But it's clearly not since he doesn't know Flash otherwise, and the papers are still flying after he wakes up, making it awkwardly seem like the Darkseid desert dream was brought upon by The Flash as a vision of sorts? Oof.

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    Still shocked. I didn't think it was possible for Warners to fuck up this badly. How do they manage to produce good TV and yet mediocre movies --- based on the same characters?

    I don't know how much the Tomatometer matters outside US fandom. This movie will release in 4,000 theaters in the US and 82 countries near-simultaneously. I wouldn't be surprised if it pushed ~$600 million, as other badly received tentpoles did (Iron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World, Man of Steel).
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    The Justice League cameos were the worst "wink wink future franchise" derailing of a movie since Iron Man 2.
    I mean, there you have Coulson over his shoulder (as he was in the first, just more), Fury visiting him a couple of times, and Natasha working for Tony and showing her stuff towards the end, and two quick bits of Coulson being sent to the hammer (payed off in the post-credits) and seeing Hulk on a screen, all taking up chunks of the runtime that is usually still involved in moving other elements of the plot forward (with debatable sacrificing of momentum).

    HERE: Bruce Wayne opening fucking files on his computer for what feels like five minutes. And then AGAIN with Wonder Woman. Absolutely atrocious. It's just the actors giving reactions to videos that feel like 2nd unit or reshoots (or in WW's case, just inserting a pic from the set of her movie whenever it existed later) that just overtly give us the origins of them and what they can do without any other context. Basically the antithesis of everything Marvel has done at their best in trying to leave intriguing seeds, later engaging audiences in those characters on screen, and then having them become a part of bigger interconnected teams and stories.

    This universe's Justice League roster was essentially created by Lex Luthor by putting some files in a confidential subfolder. Why.
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    Quote Quoting Henry Gale (view post)
    This universe's Justice League roster was essentially created by Lex Luthor by putting some files in a confidential subfolder. Why.
    Lol. So true.

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    I will be on schadenfreude overload reading the reviews for this.
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    Can't wait for the explanation as to why [
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    It seems like the only people really excited about this movie are Trump supporters. I'm absolutely loving this crash and burn. WB must be sweating like crazy. No way does Justice League come out next year. I have a feeling they will sideline that and push forward Affleck's solo Bat film.
    Sure why not?

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    Quote Quoting Watashi (view post)
    WB must be sweating like crazy. No way does Justice League come out next year.
    Unless the worldwide gross this weekend bails it out.
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    Quote Quoting Watashi (view post)
    It seems like the only people really excited about this movie are Trump supporters.
    Now I can't even want to see a Batman/Superman movie without being a Trump supporter? Man, that is the trolliest thing I've ever seen you post.

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    Now I can't even want to see a Batman/Superman movie without being a Trump supporter? Man, that is the trolliest thing I've ever seen you post.
    I'm sure some Ted Cruz supporters will be up for this, as well.
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    Quote Quoting Watashi (view post)
    It seems like the only people really excited about this movie are Trump supporters.
    ... What the fuck? Really?! :\

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    This now officially has a lower Tomatometer score than Tommy Wiseau's The Room.
    Quote Quoting Donald Glover
    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    Quote Quoting number8 (view post)
    This now officially has a lower Tomatometer score than Tommy Wiseau's The Room.
    Still higher than My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2 though.
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    Still shocked. I didn't think it was possible for Warners to fuck up this badly. How do they manage to produce good TV and yet mediocre movies --- based on the same characters?

    I don't know how much the Tomatometer matters outside US fandom. This movie will release in 4,000 theaters in the US and 82 countries near-simultaneously. I wouldn't be surprised if it pushed ~$600 million, as other badly received tentpoles did (Iron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World, Man of Steel).

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    From what I keep hearing how Suicide Squad and the Wonder Woman movies do is the real test.

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    I'm guessing I should just watch Dark Knight Returns again until this comes out for rent?
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    Can't thank you enough for the spoiler tags guys. I typically don't read these threads until I see the movie but I was too tempted this morning. So you guys saved me.

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