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    Making a Murderer (Netflix/Season 1)

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    It made me quite angry.

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    I stopped watching once I heard about all the things with held from the documentary.
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    Quote Quoting Scar (view post)
    I stopped watching once I heard about all the things with held from the documentary.
    Honestly, compared with what made it to the doco, the things left out feel like small potatoes, specially because none of them are enough to take out from how horribly Kratz and co managed Avery and specially Dassey's case horribly and to conclude that the reasonable doubt is so big that none of the two should've been incarcerated and that it's more likely than not that at least parts of the case against Avery were completely fabricated.

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    Quote Quoting Philip J. Fry (view post)
    Honestly, compared with what made it to the doco, the things left out feel like small potatoes, specially because none of them are enough to take out from how horribly Kratz and co managed Avery and specially Dassey's case horribly and to conclude that the reasonable doubt is so big that none of the two should've been incarcerated and that it's more likely than not that at least parts of the case against Avery were completely fabricated.
    This is the thing. Some of those left-out bits of evidence should've been included, but the point of the doc isn't Avery's innocence/guilt but the corruption and judiciary pressures/faults that should've provoked a mistrial. The doc puts the system on trial, maaaan.
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    Even without the things that were left out, the series actually doesn't do a very good job arguing Avery's innocence. It doesn't even effectively provide any explanation for the evidence against him that the doc does mention. The series does, however, shows a complete lack of ethics on the cops' part in handling the case, and it really does make a great case for the investigation being tainted by vendetta.

    Two things, though:

    1. I've always seen documentaries as visual essays and should have a strong personal point of view and an agenda. They deserve to be refuted and criticized for the points they present just like any other op-ed, but this notion that I've read people are throwing at it saying documentaries should be fair and impartial is bull to me.

    2. I'm both disturbed and fascinated by Avery's ex-fiancee's allegation that he threatened her to make him look good for the documentary.
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    Is there an article that talks about the things left out? (I'm only on episode 5)

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    The series does, however, shows a complete lack of ethics on the cops' part in handling the case, and it really does make a great case for the investigation being tainted by vendetta.
    That's more than enough to prove Avery's innocence, at least legally speaking. We might not know if he actually did it, but that lack of ethics and the bungled investigation gives more than enough reasonable doubt to let him go. And even more, thanks to the terrible police work, we'll probably never know who killed Teresa Halbach.

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    Avery's lawyers are so good at their job.

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    Two weird conclusions from the show:

    1. Avery never had a motive.

    2. I didn't think I could ever dislike the spouse of a victim.

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    Whattt. Netflix just announced that there's going to be a second season and it's still going to be about Avery.

    https://media.netflix.com/en/press-r...ing-a-murderer

    This next chapter will provide an in-depth look at the high-stakes post-conviction process, as well as, the emotional toll the process takes on all involved.

    The episodes will offer exclusive access to Avery’s new lawyer Kathleen Zellner and Dassey’s legal team, led by Laura Nirider and Steve Drizin, as well as intimate access to the families and characters close to the case.
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    Will watch.

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    GET THEM OUT! GET THEM OUT!
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    That's fantastic, but watch the state refile just to be complete fucking assholes.
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    Loved the first season. Can't wait.


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