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Thread: The Hateful Eight (Quentin Tarantino)

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    I don't know....it's slightly better than the lumpy mess of Django Unchained, mainly because it streamlines the story, cuts down on the shaggy dog scenes in the margins, and manages to build a head of tension in a couple of places.... but unlike, say, Sicario, where the constant sense dread was played off a sympathetic, if ineffectual, lead and capped by a thematically satisfying audience "gotcha" moment that resonates given the real-world battle against Mexican cartels, here tension remains entirely on the surface level and without the anchor of a character to give much of a shit about, and once the plot machinations become explained, there is not much left to chew on. It also features some curiously bad directorial choices - e.g., the sudden narration for no reason, the ridiculous slow-motion talking at the climax. Still, Jackson and Leigh are spell-binding throughout on a pure charisma level (I'm sucker for long-take reaction shots, and Leigh has a doozy in the wagon near the start), and the over-the-top violence is actually quite funny in places.....so I don't know. A mild yay.

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    8. Kill Bill Vol. 2 - 47
    9. Jackie Brown - 42

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    Thank you for reminding me of the slow motion taking. That was so weird and out of place.

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    It is Tarantino's most hollow movie in terms of substance or themes, and feels more like a play than the rest of his work, but from a technical standpoint, this is his best directed movie. The score and cinematography were top-notch, and the entire cast knocks it out of the park, especially Jackson, Goggins and Leigh. The roadshow experience made it one to remember, too...it made me feel like the experience of seeing it was more of an event, and that's something missing from the movie-going experience nowadays. I hope he does that for his last two movies.

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    Insightful as ever.


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    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    So, I've decided that the payoff at the end just isn't earned or justified. Daisy's character never actually does anything evil (that we see) in this movie, that makes her long murder seem interesting, funny, justified anything really. In fact, I'm not quite sure how we're suppose to feel. The whole second half gives answers to the image that they present in the first half, but it's not really that interesting.
    Enough though I liked the movie a lot, this would be my main criticism. I kept waiting for there to be a moment where we see just how truly awful and dangerous Daisy is. She uses violence to gain an advantage, yes. But given what we see in the movie and the way she is treated, this doesn't seem heinous enough for us to really get worked up over her character's fate. Samuel L. Jackson's character deserved comeuppance every bit as much as Daisy's character it seems, so I'm rooting for him because ..... why? Tarantino hints as themes of 'justice' vs. 'frontier justice', but apart from hearing about the distinction in a monologue, I don't know that the rest of the film really explores his thesis in a satisfying way.

    But, boy, it's a well-acted, gorgeous-looking film.
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    Quote Quoting Watashi (view post)
    Also as for the violence and sadism, it's not as bad as any episode of Game of Thrones. Maybe I'm just desensitized?
    it's different. Game of thrones is shocking, disturbing, powerful. In h8ful 8 it's just violent...and kinda funny.
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    As I was watching this rather incredible movie, there were numerous times where I was envisioning a second movie, but where the Tatum, or any other, character was played by Timothy Olyphant.

    Kurt Russell seemed to be in screaming mode most of the time which bordered real close on overacting. I'm probably the only one to think that. Sure, these are archetypes, but Russell was really overdoing it. This movie was a real hoot at times, especially Bichir, Jackson and Goggings. I sometimes laugh hard at the stupidest things. Michael Madsen sitting quietly and solemnly in that corner, but going absolutely berserk when someone opens the door with that subwoofer of a voice.

    @Spinal: I was thinking this the whole time, but I was shocked at her transformation towards the end. She suddenly looked deranged, vile, as if possessed by some demonic force. And so in the end I believed! Where has this wonderful actress been? Perhaps I simply missed her in stuff.

    I don't understand some of the choices made. The QT voice-over (what a shitty voice that man has), the slow-mo gunfights, the flashback where the bit with the coffee is explained by QT.

    I too was reminded of Carpenter's The Thing in a few ways, including the moment when [
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    Quote Quoting Morris Schæffer (view post)
    Kurt Russell seemed to be in screaming mode most of the time which bordered real close on overacting. I'm probably the only one to think that.
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    I keep reading complaints about QT's use of one-off gimmicks that are disjointed from the rest of the movie (not just this one, but back in Basterds too) and I wonder if people have really forgotten that Tarantino is firstly a French New Wave geek. That stuff is all straight out of Godard.
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    Quote Quoting number8 (view post)
    I keep reading complaints about QT's use of one-off gimmicks that are disjointed from the rest of the movie (not just this one, but back in Basterds too) and I wonder if people have really forgotten that Tarantino is firstly a French New Wave geek. That stuff is all straight out of Godard.
    I'm not enough into movies to know such things, but how does this knowledge make Russell's screaming somehow engaging? Anyhow, thanks for pointing it out.
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    Quote Quoting Morris Schæffer (view post)
    @Spinal: I was thinking this the whole time, but I was shocked at her transformation towards the end. She suddenly looked deranged, vile, as if possessed by some demonic force. And so in the end I believed! Where has this wonderful actress been? Perhaps I simply missed her in stuff.
    Oh, yeah, Jennifer Jason Leigh is one of the best there is. Last Exit to Brooklyn, Miami Blues, Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle ... even Single White Female. It's absolutely shocking to me that this is her first Oscar nomination.

    And I agree with you that Kurt Russell was a weak link. Not enough to really bother me. But I just don't think he's on par with the others in terms of talent.
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    The comment about Madsen is dead on. I looked forward to that door opening each time because it was hilarious.

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    Quote Quoting Spinal (view post)
    And I agree with you that Kurt Russell was a weak link. Not enough to really bother me. But I just don't think he's on par with the others in terms of talent.
    This sentiment is a deep mystery to me. Russell killed it. The baton passing from Russell to Tatum, I'd say, is when the movie really started to stumble.

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    Quote Quoting number8 (view post)
    I keep reading complaints about QT's use of one-off gimmicks that are disjointed from the rest of the movie (not just this one, but back in Basterds too) and I wonder if people have really forgotten that Tarantino is firstly a French New Wave geek. That stuff is all straight out of Godard.
    I haven't. Which is why I don't have a problem with him doing it.

    Also I laughed at a lot of the horrible things that occurred in this film. [
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    So I don't know if that means I'm a horrible person or maybe I'm also desensitized to onscreen violence after years of watching horror films and violent films.

    I was thinking the other day that both Tarentino and Ben Wheatley really have a knack for using violence properly in their films. Both are also favorite modern filmmakers of mine.
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    Also I loved all of performances, save for one. This is one of my favorite cast groups in recent memory. I liked how both Roth and Madsen were understated in their performances. Also Bichir and Goggins matched each other pretty well in the humor department.

    I realized today that I have not seen very much from Leigh. She earned that Oscar nom imo. My favorite though is still Goggins. I really need to watch Justified.

    Was Russell the weak link? Nah I think that was Bruce Dern. They could have casted any old guy in that role.

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    Quote Quoting MadMan (view post)
    They could have casted any old guy in that role.
    Wilford Brimley needs to be in a Tarantino movie!
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    Quote Quoting Spinal (view post)
    Wilford Brimley needs to be in a Tarantino movie!
    Hell, why not go the distance and secure Kirk Douglas!
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    I liked the first half of this quite a bit. I saw the 70mm roadshow release and damn was it phenomenal. It completely lost me in the second half, though. That flashback chapter nearly put me to sleep, and while he wasn't bad or anything, Tatum just felt horribly miscast. Lots of bizarre artistic choices, too, as a few have mentioned, the slow motion and voice over stuff especially.

    The part with the blood vomiting was funny because I couldn't stop thinking about the puking scene in Team America.
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    Quote Quoting Stay Puft (view post)
    The part with the blood vomiting was funny because I couldn't stop thinking about the puking scene in Team America.
    I couldn't stop thinking of Family Guy, which may be why I didn't enjoy it as much as you.

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    Yeah, Tatum may be the most miscast Tarantino character ever I'm thinking.

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    Yeah, Tatum may be the most miscast Tarantino character ever I'm thinking.
    Was never a fan of BJ Novak in IB.
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    Wilford Brimley needs to be in a Tarantino movie!
    Hell yes.
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    Oh man...this is so fucking cool. Love it.

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