Interstellar (2014)

[Dukefrukem]

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The deadbolt cutting scene and the Matt Damon death scene. Was anyone else surprised that Matt Damon was in this? I hadn't heard he joined the cast.

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[TGM]

Nah, they kept him well under wraps. His addition was a surprise, so much that I'd encourage you to put that in a spoiler tag.

[Dukefrukem]

Done. And Nah you weren't surprised?

[TGM]

Done. And Nah you weren't surprised?

Oh no, I was surprised. In fact, for the first minute or two, I wasn't even entirely yet convinced if it was actually him, or some other actor who happens to resemble him. :P

My reaction was literally like: "Wait, is that...? ... no, no it can't be... ... ... ... OH SHIT, IT IS HIM!"

[Dukefrukem]

Oh no, I was surprised. In fact, for the first minute or two, I wasn't even entirely yet convinced if it was actually him, or some other actor who happens to resemble him. :P

My reaction was literally like: "Wait, is that...? ... no, no it can't be... ... ... ... OH SHIT, IT IS HIM!"

That was exactly my reaction.

[Pop Trash]

I just don't know about this. I feel like Nolan doubled down on everything Nolan-y but then brought an extra amount sturm und drang to it all. Ultimately it was too much jerk and not enough tears for me. Since it's a Nolan movie of course everything needs to be explained and reexplained but this time it is through a Texas drawl and Zimmer's score blasted to 11. His score isn't 'whoompy' thankfully but -maybe it was just my theater- goddamn was it loud.

Plotwise I haven't even begun to unpack if it's just a bunch of bullshit or not but I'm kinda leaning towards 'yes' at this point.

I agree with The Dissolve's review that it should be seen and seen in a theater, but that doesn't let it off the hook by any means.

Haterz can hate but Gravity worked much better for me both emotionally and thematically.

[transmogrifier]

That's the thing about the plot to movies like this - the ultimate resolution is usually a bunch of quasi-mystical nonsense that can be interpreted a million ways. And that can be part of the fun if the movie is accomplished enough to suck you in and make you care about the nonsense. Interstellar doesn't do that, and so I found most of the third act annoying and rather arbitrary. The whole "love" angle just came across as a lazy safety net to explain away any pesky errors in logic.

The movie would have been much better dropping what happens after they get off the final planet entirely and just dealing with loss and regret and the clinging on regardless. Totally different movie, of course, but one that I'd have enjoyed more.

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What do you do if you have to take a shit in the fifth dimension?

[Neclord]

While I think there's a good amount of stuff here that could stand on its own visually[

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that tesseract stuff was blowing my mind

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[eternity]

What do you do if you have to take a shit in the fifth dimension?

This more or less explains it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx4GKoFBtos

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I can imagine Spielberg's version maybe pulling that off

Oh, GOD no. We've seen it already.

And yeah, I really, really liked this. And I think I like TARS better than transmogrifier at this point. Certainly more fun at parties.

[Spinal]

I liked this a lot, but doesn't it have a rather enormous plot hole?

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If the assistance of an advanced form of humanity is required to ensure the survival of Earth-dwelling humans, then how did they come to be in the first place?

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Am I missing something here?

[Pop Trash]

I liked this a lot, but doesn't it have a rather enormous plot hole?

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If the assistance of an advanced form of humanity is required to ensure the survival of Earth-dwelling humans, then how did they come to be in the first place?

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Am I missing something here?

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They who? Earth-dwelling humans?

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[Spinal]

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They who? Earth-dwelling humans?

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How can humanity be saved by creatures that could only have evolved by humanity being saved in the first place?

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[Pop Trash]

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How can humanity be saved by creatures that could only have evolved by humanity being saved in the first place?

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I'm not quite sure if I'm following but there seems to be a closed loop in time that begins around the time the movie begins and loops into the future where future humanity created the wormhole to 'save' themselves. It's a bit mindbending but the 'bootstrap paradox' seems to apply here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrap_paradox

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Or for an erudite example that scene in Bill & Ted where future selves leave the keys by the prison cell so past selves can sneak the old dead dudes out.

[Spinal]

I'm still not getting this. Tell me where I go wrong here:

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Time and space can be manipulated.
Humans at Cooper's stage of development are unable to effectively manipulate time and space.
However, if humans survived long enough, they would be able to manipulate time and space.

The only way to survive the extinction event is for humans to manipulate time and space.
The only way for humans to evolve long enough to manipulate time and space is to survive the extinction event.

How do both problems suddenly get fixed? Where is the point in which both of these become possible?

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[Neclord]

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Temporal causality loops don't make sense, there's really no reasoning about it. I agree that it's frustrating.

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[Pop Trash]

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But humans are able to manipulate space & time initially yeah? Cooper and Amelia go through the wormhole that dropped them out into the galaxy following the other astronauts who did the same.

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[Spinal]

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But humans are able to manipulate space & time initially yeah? Cooper and Amelia go through the wormhole that dropped them out into the galaxy following the other astronauts who did the same.

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But again, the wormhole is there because of the highly evolved humans that shouldn't exist because they should have died in the extinction event. It's the cart before the horse.

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[SirNewt]

I don't want to shit on this because I really enjoyed it but...

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Worrying about temporal causality loops in a film that reasons by analogy that love like gravity is a force that transcends time is a bit like drinking yourself to death with cheap liquor to save some money, what's the point?

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[Dukefrukem]

I don't want to shit on this because I really enjoyed it but...

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Worrying about temporal causality loops in a film that reasons by analogy that love like gravity is a force that transcends time is a bit like drinking yourself to death with cheap liquor to save some money, what's the point?

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There was a quote in the movie about this that i hated so much- it's easily the most pretentious thing of 2014.

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Brand: Love is the one thing that transcends time and space

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[Dukefrukem]

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[Spinal]

I didn't really mind the love stuff. That totally made sense to me. However, I think the other thing I brought up is a fairly significant problem that makes me like the film a bit less.

[Dukefrukem]

I didn't really mind the love stuff. That totally made sense to me. However, I think the other thing I brought up is a fairly significant problem that makes me like the film a bit less.

Do you have the same problem with Terminator and Terminator 2?

[Spinal]

And the chart doesn't address my question. It just outlines the info from the film which I understood just fine.