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    It just feels super faux outcry. It was in his past, and I dont know what the rules are, but are registered sex offenders not allowed to work again? Are they supposed to go around introducing themselves as "Hi I'm Bob, I'm a registered sex offender, nice to meet you".
    Aren't they supposed to? I'm trying to see from all sides and can only agree with tran's post here, since as my previous post says, this is like the most optimally least questionable (even from pov of the offender and their sympathizers) outcome possible for a situation like this, hence I'm puzzled why you took a very broad look at this situation ("allowed to hire?") then use "faux outcry", wrongly imo. The public doesn't even have time to react to this; an actress has a real, unfaux problem in working with a man with his offense, with their roles like that, without foreknowledge, and brings it to the bosses; they examine and feel it's a bad look for the company, so they don't want to use that part of the work. Done.
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    It just feels super faux outcry. It was in his past, and I dont know what the rules are, but are registered sex offenders not allowed to work again? Are they supposed to go around introducing themselves as "Hi I'm Bob, I'm a registered sex offender, nice to meet you".
    Would you hire a registered sexy offender as a babysitter? Probably not, right? And you wouldn’t expect anyone else too, either, no?

    So accepting that, you must also allow that some people/companies would feel similarly about hiring a registered sex offender for other lines of work... you might not agree with their choice, but you have to support their right to make it in this case. No?
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    sexy offender
    Hmmm... What a sexy offender.

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    Hmmm... What a sexy offender.
    Leaving it as a monument to failure. Sexy, sexy failure.
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    It's really up to the business though, right?

    Babysitting companies do background checks and would immediately deny those applicants. Studios could start doing the same if they want to ignore this. So this is more on the studio, than it is on the person.

    Sidenote - I have no fucking clue what the story is

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    Olivia Munn is handling this all very poorly.

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    Olivia Munn is handling this all very poorly.
    So she shouldn't have reported it to Fox?
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    On the opposite, I think it's a great, rare look into the fear of what many people who speak up about these things feel they might get, and are actually facing.

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    So she shouldn't have reported it to Fox?
    Did she report it to Fox, or just to social media?

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    She made it about her, and is trying to paint herself as a victim.

    How after she found out she had shared a scene with him, “no one called her to see if she was okay”

    Like...whaaaat?

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    She made it about her, and is trying to paint herself as a victim.

    How after she found out she had shared a scene with him, “no one called her to see if she was okay”

    Like...whaaaat?
    Well that's the reason for my initial question. Are these people's crimes so egregious that they shouldn't even have been let on set? Should they have their acting card revoked? I dont understand why it was necessary for her to know about it, unless there are rules in place to make that known.
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    Did she report it to Fox, or just to social media?
    Fox. They removed the scene entirely from the final cut.
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    The babysitting analogy doesn't quite work because having a pedo in your home, around your kids, obviously isn't equivalent to hiring an actor on a movie set.

    But the core idea is alright--- would you want to work with someone who had been convicted of trying to lure an underage girl to a hotel room? I wouldn't. They would make my skin crawl so badly I wouldn't be able to do my job.

    From what I've read, studios can't do deep background checks because of union rules. (I'm guessing this has something to do with, ya know, HUAC.) Never mind that it'd be cost prohibitive and time consuming to check every day player and third-party contractor who works on big films.

    I can't blame Munn; actors depend on trust to do what they do. Black violated that trust and failed at his job. (Meanwhile, rest of the cast is looking real weasely right now.)

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    Meanwhile, rest of the cast is looking real weasely right now.
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    Completely agree about the rest of the cast, Irish.

    I maintain that Munn seemed scummy trying to make this all about her, though. I, too, would have found working with that guy creepy as all hell. But her expectation of people to have been running to her aid and calling to see if she’s okay...the guy didn’t do anything to her. She shared one scene with him, had no unpleasantness, and found out about his past months after the fact.

    What he did had nothing to do with her, and it’s in really bad taste to paint herself as another victim of his, when his real victim is probably reading all this news.

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    She mostly, if not all, has talked about how she feels after this has come to light, not about her experience filming with the guy (this fixation on her "if she's OK" quote is a rather specific extrapolating from her using it, once, to contrast her confusion at Black receiving more than politely clapped from other cast members at the film's premier). By your posts one would think she has been talking non-stop about how awful her one-scene filming with him is.
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    Duke, I can see the situations falling in more of a grey area in other cases so your general broad concern may inspire some thought-provoking debate, but in this specific case I feel it's rather black-and-white, in that his hiring is so shady because Black seems to bypass studios for his and his friend's gain, specifically withholding information like he knows he will not be allowed to otherwise. And his friend's crime as outlined in LA Times article is so specifically awful as to not be working with someone like Black, whose auteur touch in story/style means that he will mostly work with very young actors (or "always" in the case of his recent films that his friend worked in: Iron Man 3, The Nice Guys, this), so withholding information like this looks especially very bad.
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    But why wouldn't he be hired, though? That's what I don't understand. He's been convicted by an actual court of law. Is part of the punishment a lifelong ban from acting? No, that's ridiculous. So why are we even reading about this?

    Matthew Broderick killed two women on a drunk driving incident and got off with a pat on the back. That's a lot worse and none ever suggested he should be forced out of acting.
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    I honestly don’t know the answer. It’s something I have very mixed feelings on, myself. Your Matthew Broderick example is apt.

    Rob Lowe recorded himself having sex with a minor and is A-OK.

    Mike Tyson served his sentence, and is arguably a better man now, but some people still raise hell every time his name is associated with a new project.

    I wish I could say “let’s look at it on a case by case basis”, but as examples above prove, even then people can’t get straight what’s forgivable and what isn’t.

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    But that was my point earlier - it should all be a case-by-case basis, but with the decision about whether someone deserves to work a particular job resting purely on the person/company providing the job, NOT general public opinion. I have zero problem with an individual producer choosing not to work with Rob Lowe if they don’t don’t want to because of his past, while I have no problem with someone hiring Black’s buddy if they want.

    Of course, there are some cases where I can’t understand why someone still gets work (Chris Brown) but I avoid everything he does and if enough people did the same, it may effect the decisions of his employers (who, by the way, should still be allowed to hire him even if I think they are dicks for doing so)
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