Video Games...Discuss Them

[Dukefrukem]

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[megladon8]

Why do gamers bash Infinity Ward/Treyarch for continuing to use the same engine for "CoD" games, then praise Valve for continuing to use the Source engine?

The "CoD" games are far from ugly.

[D_Davis]

Why do gamers bash Infinity Ward/Treyarch for continuing to use the same engine for "CoD" games, then praise Valve for continuing to use the Source engine?

The "CoD" games are far from ugly.

I've never heard either of these before.

The one thing I have heard about Source from various sources is that while it is getting old, Valve did a very good job of making it modular so that it can periodically and easily updated.

[Dukefrukem]

Neither have I.

[megladon8]

You haven't heard people complaining about the "Call of Duty" franchise continuing to use the same engine? Really?

It's been like, one of the most talked about aspects of "Black Ops II" since its announcement. Treyarch has had to come to its defense because players are complaining about it so much.

[EyesWideOpen]

I've never heard complaints about that either. The only thing I hear (as someone who doesn't pay any attention or care about the Call of Duty franchise) is the games are too iterative of each other in gameplay but not specifically the engine.

[megladon8]

Perhaps it's just a part of that oh-so-typical gamer trait of "what I play is the best, what you play sucks". People who play "Battlefield" have to, by default, hate "CoD", and people who play "CoD" have to hate "Halo", and so on and so forth.

But obviously it's stirred up enough controversy that Treyarch felt they had to say something.

[Morris Schæffer]

Perhaps it's just a part of that oh-so-typical gamer trait of "what I play is the best, what you play sucks". People who play "Battlefield" have to, by default, hate "CoD", and people who play "CoD" have to hate "Halo", and so on and so forth.

But obviously it's stirred up enough controversy that Treyarch felt they had to say something.

You can drop "perhaps." It's exactly that. That being said, maybe CoD's engine is attracting vitriol because nowadays there's a new game each year and that seems to give people the idea that this shit is getting old when in fact, as you say, the action still looks pretty spectacular. Source engine games seem to be a lot less prevalent and, frankly, how could anyone hate Portal 2?

[D_Davis]

I can't think of place I'd rather avoid more than the COD forums on Gamefaqs. Oh wait yes I can....COD on XBox live without mute.

[D_Davis]

I still love the first Modern Warfare. The rest, not so much.

[Dukefrukem]

You haven't heard people complaining about the "Call of Duty" franchise continuing to use the same engine? Really?

It's been like, one of the most talked about aspects of "Black Ops II" since its announcement. Treyarch has had to come to its defense because players are complaining about it so much.

I don't frequent any of those sites, especially GameFAQs, which is probably why I haven't heard this before.

[Dukefrukem]

I still love the first Modern Warfare. The rest, not so much.

This. And even the first Modern Warfare was wicked spammy.

[megladon8]

I still love the first Modern Warfare. The rest, not so much.

Yeah it's still great. I also really liked "Modern Warfare 2", and "World at War".

"Black Ops" pissed me off, and I still haven't played "Modern Warfare 3".

[Sven]

I may replace those next....I love the character Drake.

It's hard for me to like a character so cavalier about murdering people. Room after room of cracking wise and shooting guys in the head for the sake of treasure. Dude's psychotic.

[Dukefrukem]

It's hard for me to like a character so cavalier about murdering people. Room after room of cracking wise and shooting guys in the head for the sake of treasure. Dude's psychotic.

That's the only thing I dislike about the game. It's easily ignoreable.

[Winston*]

[Watashi]

It's hard for me to like a character so cavalier about murdering people. Room after room of cracking wise and shooting guys in the head for the sake of treasure. Dude's psychotic.

I don't see how this differs from... every video game ever made. Even stealth-like games usually end up with you killing everyone in the room before you can move on.

[Sven]

Yes, Wats. Every game is exactly like Uncharted.

[Watashi]

Yes, Wats. Every game is exactly like Uncharted.

Name me an action-adventure game where killing bad guys to advance to the next stage is not a requirement.

It's not like Drake is mowing down unarmed innocent civilians. I don't understand the criticism especially when it's a common element of the action genre (do people make the same criticisms when Indiana Jones does it?).

[Watashi]

Also, what makes him so cavalier about it? Because he cracks jokes? I'm pretty sure he's killing people because they are shooting at him first.

[Winston*]

(do people make the same criticisms when Indiana Jones does it?).

Sure. Him nonchalantly shooting the dude with the sword in Raiders for example definitely makes him a psychopath.

[Sven]

Batman: Arkham City, just to name one.

Also, yes, people criticize Indy for doing it.

Also, the bad guys don't always shoot first, but that's beside the point anyway. I realize the point of games is to overcome a virtual antagonist, and in fantasy (Ratchet and Clank), military (Call of Duties, etc), or unapologetic settings (GTA, where of course you are a bad guy), this complaint rarely applies. But Drake is specifically constructed to attract as a hero, because he looks like Nathan Fillion and tells funny jokes. And it's disturbing when the story is not so much a life-and-death scenario as much as it is the product of Drake's vanity and childish wonder. BOOM! Brains of a guy just like you but less charming.

With Uncharted, it got to the point where I wasn't thinking "Great! Look at this cool big chamber with unexplored corners and sparkling treasures untold!" but rather "Great, another big chamber where I'm going to have to execute dozens of people".

[Dukefrukem]

John Mcclane cracks jokes.

In in all seriousness, It's a legitimate complain about the Drake character. Indiana Jones for example kills, but because it's Nazi's its OK?

[Watashi]

Batman: Arkham City, just to name one.

That's a bit different since the character is known for his non-killing methods. In the video game you are still moving room to room beating up bad guys. The difference is that these are just unconscious and not dead. I don't think there is a difference within the purpose of the game.

Also, the bad guys don't always shoot first, but that's beside the point anyway. I realize the point of games is to overcome a virtual antagonist, and in fantasy (Ratchet and Clank), military (Call of Duties, etc), or unapologetic settings (GTA, where of course you are a bad guy), this complaint rarely applies. But Drake is specifically constructed to attract as a hero, because he looks like Nathan Fillion and tells funny jokes. And it's disturbing when the story is not so much a life-and-death scenario as much as it is the product of Drake's vanity and childish wonder. BOOM! Brains of a guy just like you but less charming.

Well, he's a treasure hunter, but do the games really make it out that he's doing this because he just wants to be rich? I don't see how him being awed and wondered by uncovered ancient cities is a bad thing. Terrorists want to use these artifacts for evil; Drake doesn't. Hence, Drake will kill people to get there first.

Also, I strongly disagree if you think the GTA games make the random killing okay since you're a "bad guy".

[Watashi]

Sure. Him nonchalantly shooting the dude with the sword in Raiders for example definitely makes him a psychopath.

If he battled the guy with his sword, would it have been okay?