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    Iz, can you indulge me a bit? Taking a look at the clip you posted of Out of Sight, how it apply to what you've been saying?

    (I'm mostly looke for a more concrete example that illustrates your take here).

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    Quote Quoting Israfel the Black (view post)
    Well, he might be right! But no, I don't always think it's the case that a proper understanding will lead to appreciation, since it may still be a bad film, but I certainly think that a proper understanding can lead to greater appreciation.
    And you'll be the arbiter of this then? As to who does and does not possess the proper understanding? Sounds like a sweet job, are you accepting applications?
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    Playtime (rewatch) - A
    The Hobbit - C-
    The Comedy - D+
    Kings of the Road - C+
    The Odd Couple - B
    Red Rock West - C-
    The Hunger Games - D-
    Prometheus - C
    Tangled - C+

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    I assumed you were just posting it because gestalt is a German term...
    Can't it be both? Maybe I also thought you were being a total ersatz Nazi? Can't comprehend the layers.
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    I hope you know I wasn't insinuating you were being out of line or anything. I just kept thinking "gestapo" every time you said "gestalt."
    That's why it was funny! :lol:

    Personally, it struck me as a very Chico Marx kind of joke to make.

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    Can't it be both? Maybe I also thought you were being a total ersatz Nazi? Can't comprehend the layers.
    Ultimately I just figured you didn't know what the word meant or why I was using it. Also you know I'm Jewish right? Maybe you should stop before you continue to compare me to Nazis.
    The Princess and the Pilot - B-
    Playtime (rewatch) - A
    The Hobbit - C-
    The Comedy - D+
    Kings of the Road - C+
    The Odd Couple - B
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    The Hunger Games - D-
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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    That's why it was funny! :lol:

    Personally, it struck me as a very Chico Marx kind of joke to make.
    I'm kind of a big deal, Irish. Hop on board. We'll have some fun.

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    Ultimately I just figured you didn't know what the word meant or why I was using it.
    Ouch. That really hurt, man. Implying I wouldn't take the 5 seconds to click on the Dictionary tab on my browser and get the definition. You really don't think much of me, do you?
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    Also you know I'm Jewish right? Maybe you should stop before you continue to compare me to Nazis.
    Wouldn't that only make it funnier?
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    Quote Quoting B-side (view post)
    I'm kind of a big deal, Irish. Hop on board. We'll have some fun.



    Ouch. That really hurt, man. Implying I wouldn't take the 5 seconds to click on the Dictionary tab on my browser and get the definition. You really don't think much of me, do you?
    I did until you started eating everyone I know. /shopofhorrors
    The Princess and the Pilot - B-
    Playtime (rewatch) - A
    The Hobbit - C-
    The Comedy - D+
    Kings of the Road - C+
    The Odd Couple - B
    Red Rock West - C-
    The Hunger Games - D-
    Prometheus - C
    Tangled - C+

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    And you'll be the arbiter of this then? As to who does and does not possess the proper understanding? Sounds like a sweet job, are you accepting applications?
    In my opinion, Soderbergh is a misunderstood filmmaker. So is De Palma. To some extent, so is Antonioni and Godard. I also think a lot of people give bad interpretations of films. Like Pulp Fiction for example. I might be wrong, but I don't think I am. What of it?

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    Wouldn't that only make it funnier?
    If Jackass The Movie is your yardstick for hilarity then sure.
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    Playtime (rewatch) - A
    The Hobbit - C-
    The Comedy - D+
    Kings of the Road - C+
    The Odd Couple - B
    Red Rock West - C-
    The Hunger Games - D-
    Prometheus - C
    Tangled - C+

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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    Iz, can you indulge me a bit? Taking a look at the clip you posted of Out of Sight, how it apply to what you've been saying?

    (I'm mostly looke for a more concrete example that illustrates your take here).
    It's getting close to that time. Perhaps I'll come back in tomorrow and flesh out some examples.

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    If Jackass The Movie is your yardstick for hilarity then sure.
    I won't conform to your PC government standards, bro. I'm outside your comfort zone, and I speak the truth, Ruth. Can't shackle me, Qray-zee.
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    Quote Quoting Israfel the Black (view post)
    In my opinion, Soderbergh is a misunderstood filmmaker. So is De Palma. To some extent, so is Antonioni and Godard. I also think a lot of people give bad interpretations of films. Like Pulp Fiction for example. I might be wrong, but I don't think I am. What of it?
    Meh, I can feel in my gut that if we continue down this road we'll arrive very shortly at a conversation about the relative subjectivity of art so let's just call it a day on that front and you hand me a job application.
    The Princess and the Pilot - B-
    Playtime (rewatch) - A
    The Hobbit - C-
    The Comedy - D+
    Kings of the Road - C+
    The Odd Couple - B
    Red Rock West - C-
    The Hunger Games - D-
    Prometheus - C
    Tangled - C+

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    Quote Quoting Israfel the Black (view post)
    It's getting close to that time. Perhaps I'll come back in tomorrow and flesh out some examples.
    Very cool. Looking forward to it.

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    Meh, I can feel in my gut that if we continue down this road we'll arrive very shortly at a conversation about the relative subjectivity of art so let's just call it a day on that front and you hand me a job application.
    We've already been dancing around it. I think there are shared standards of analysis and judgment that put a limit on what we can say about things. I can't be justified in saying, for instance, Pulp Fiction is about aliens on Mars. It's just wrong. I sense you leaning more on the other end, even if not radically so.

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    Quote Quoting Israfel the Black (view post)
    We've already been dancing around it. I think there are shared standards of analysis and judgment that put a limit on what we can say about things. I can't be justified in saying, for instance, Pulp Fiction is about aliens on Mars. It's just wrong. I sense you leaning more on the other end, even if not radically so.
    We've already had this discussion so many times in the past though, don't really think it's worth rehashing. In regards to philosophy discussions on movie forums we're basically the old married couple of the community.

    Which reminds me that we are supposed to be reading Jaspers.
    The Princess and the Pilot - B-
    Playtime (rewatch) - A
    The Hobbit - C-
    The Comedy - D+
    Kings of the Road - C+
    The Odd Couple - B
    Red Rock West - C-
    The Hunger Games - D-
    Prometheus - C
    Tangled - C+

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    Quote Quoting Qrazy (view post)
    We've already had this discussion so many times in the past though, don't really think it's worth rehashing. In regards to philosophy discussions on movie forums we're basically the old married couple of the community.


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    Which reminds me that we are supposed to be reading Jaspers.
    Yes, yes. We should do that.

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