Sleeping Beauty (Leigh, 2011)

[Derek]

I'm not buying it.

You not buying the truth doesn't make it any less true.

[Winston*]

This is a film that I feel I more or less understood, but at the same time made me think that art is pretty ridiculous. "Oh man I'm getting so many insights from watching this naked old man lick this young girl's face.".

[Idioteque Stalker]

At first it was weird to me how much attention this movie was getting considering how few people actually liked it. Then I read the synopsis. :queued:

[Izzy Black]

I just didn't feel like she fit the role. As I said, her most unconvincing line? "I want to show you something. I would really love to suck your cock." You could hear the discomfort in her voice as she tried to get that line out with a flat, unemotional face.

What was unconvincing to you about this line? What did you need to be convinced of? That she wasn't uncomfortable as she forced out a flat, unemotional advance? But she was.

[Izzy Black]

This is a film that I feel I more or less understood, but at the same time made me think that art is pretty ridiculous. "Oh man I'm getting so many insights from watching this naked old man lick this young girl's face.".

I really don't think this is the right approach. I believe Leigh's intention is to achieve something far more visceral and direct than this. Don't let theoretical insights after the fact obscure the emotional realities here. What could be more unsettling, discomforting, and awkward than watching an old man lick a pale, nubile naked girl? Her complete stasis and lack of sexual activity or even conscious awareness of the proceedings only makes things all the more unnerving, pathetic, and strange. You don't need to be reflective or thoughtful to be feeling this way. The moment itself isn't intellectualized. Something is simply off here.

But, yes, art is pretty ridiculous.

[Boner M]

The film reminded me more of what would happen if all the regulars of match-cut set out to make a 'Spinal film'.

[Winston*]

I really don't think this is the right approach. I believe Leigh's intention is to achieve something far more visceral and direct than this. Don't let theoretical insights after the fact obscure the emotional realities here. What could be more unsettling, discomforting, and awkward than watching an old man lick a pale, nubile naked girl? Her complete stasis and lack of sexual activity or even conscious awareness of the proceedings only makes things all the more unnerving, pathetic, and strange. You don't need to be reflective or thoughtful to be feeling this way. The moment itself isn't intellectualized. Something is simply off here.

Sure, but why do I want to feel that way? What have I gained from the visceral experience of that scene? I often feel that way when watching these kinds of movies these days. Why am I doing this to myself?

[Skitch]

This is a film that I feel I more or less understood, but at the same time made me think that art is pretty ridiculous. "Oh man I'm getting so many insights from watching this naked old man lick this young girl's face.".

Bingo.

[Boner M]

This is a film that I feel I more or less understood, but at the same time made me think that Australian Government-funded 'art' is pretty ridiculous.

Fixed.

[Izzy Black]

Sure, but why do I want to feel that way? What have I gained from the visceral experience of that scene? I often feel that way when watching these kinds of movies these days. Why am I doing this to myself?

Well I mean art is all about feeling. It's particularly about exploring the whole range of human emotion and experience. If you just want to feel good, there are plenty of outlets for that.

And as to the question of "Why art?" That's certainly a question I can't answer for you. For me, I can hardly imagine anything greater. It's at once inspiring, therapeutic, enlightening, dazzling, fascinating, moving, and so much more. Some art can draw attention to our pain, discomfort, and sadness, and much of its power lies in its capacity to do so.

[Winston*]

I just don't know anymore, Israfel.

[Izzy Black]

:sad:

[Boner M]

Hey guys

Are movies 'art'

or are they

ESCAPISM

[Izzy Black]

If only mocking a stubborn question would make it go away :P

[Dukefrukem]

You not buying the truth doesn't make it any less true.

I'm not buying that one scene can make her insecure but she has no problem doing blow, picking up men in bars and continue to take the sleep medicine. It just doesn't make any sense.

[Spinal]

The film reminded me more of what would happen if all the regulars of match-cut set out to make a 'Spinal film'.

I appreciate the effort guys, but you should know that I like less talking.

[Raiders]

I appreciate the effort guys, but you should know that I like less talking.

Yeah guys, Spinal likes his films like he likes his women.

[B-side]

Yeah guys, Spinal likes his films like he likes his women.

Bloated and depressing? Old and homophobic? Boring and apolitical?

Help me out, guys.

[Pop Trash]

Hey guys

Are movies 'art'

or are they

ESCAPISM

Are we human?

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Or are we dancer?

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[Izzy Black]

[B-side]

haha