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    I'm well off the wagon at this point, but that sounds about perfect. Come to think of it, I think Riddler, or Two Face, not sure, might be the most intriguing and most frequently well-executed villain in the Gotham catalogue.

    Nothing to do with Batman Forever, I swear. I hope.

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    That is hugely unfortunate.

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    Bruce is letting Alfred and Tim think that [
    ]? That's fucked up.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    Man alive, I thought I liked Matt Kindt, but what he's done to Deadshot and Harley's origins (TWO OF MY FAVORITE GODDAMN CHARACTERS) in the Villains Month issues are inexcusable.
    I just read these two issues. What did he do?

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    I just read these two issues. What did he do?
    Oof, you went back deep, but IIRC I had more of a problem with his views of those characters than the writing of those issues. He basically changed Deadshot's entire origin story. I've always been very fond of the classically tragic premise of him learning to be a crackshot because he missed a shot and killed his brother by mistake. The revision to him being a crackshot because stray bullets killed his family struck me as an artless alternative.

    As for the Harley issue, I just remember having a very big problem with his characterization of her as someone who would commit the mass murder of children. I believe this has been mostly ignored since, though.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    Quote Quoting number8 (view post)
    As for the Harley issue, I just remember having a very big problem with his characterization of her as someone who would commit the mass murder of children.
    And this is not Harley... Why? If the Joker would do it, Harley would follow suit, if only to impress him.

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    She'd never been that ruthless, especially not on her own without Joker. From the animated series to her solo comic series, her characterization was always more ditzy and wacky than outright lethal. Hell, she reformed and turned hero for a while--Paul Dini always wrote her more as someone inadvertently falling into crime no matter what she tries to do. "Child murderer" struck me as an oddly extreme place to go to for a character like that. It'd be like seeing Two-Face eat someone's flesh or something.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    Quote Quoting number8 (view post)
    Oof, you went back deep, but IIRC I had more of a problem with his views of those characters than the writing of those issues. He basically changed Deadshot's entire origin story. I've always been very fond of the classically tragic premise of him learning to be a crackshot because he missed a shot and killed his brother by mistake. The revision to him being a crackshot because stray bullets killed his family struck me as an artless alternative.

    As for the Harley issue, I just remember having a very big problem with his characterization of her as someone who would commit the mass murder of children. I believe this has been mostly ignored since, though.
    Aha, yes. To the first point, I, too, thought it was pretty brazen for Kindt to end the issue, impressively staged as it was, with such an overt act of slaughter. Seemed a bit much. That said, aside from the egregiousness of that conclusion, I thought it was otherwise successful in offering an insight into the bifurcated experience and personality of the character, who has never really made sense to me.

    The same goes for Deadshot. Didn't know his origin, have no real strong impression of him as anything other than an assassin protagonist. The book was written and drawn well, and the blocking of the inciting incident was effective, but there's not much meat there.

    Anyway, I had just remembered your comment and thought I'd revive it.

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    For obvious reasons, Harley's existence really depends on Joker behaving closer to the animated series. During her solo series, Gotham City Sirens, and Paul Dini's Detective Comics, etc, whenever Joker pops up it would have to be that charming, dastardly, softer Joker, because that's the only way it makes sense for him to have a Harley by his side. When he's the sexually provocative serial killer monster that most modern writers prefer him to be, the idea of him having a girlfriend is odd. Harley's appearance in Snyder's "Death of the Family" was particularly out of place.

    So in a way, I can understand why her initial New 52 characterization by Glass and Kindt in Suicide Squad was very different, with her being more tortured and murdery, to fit in with the New 52's Leatherjoker. I just really dislike it. And hey, look, now it's all wiped away again by Amanda Conner and Jimmy Palmiotti's version, who's back to the more happy-cartoony Harley.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    The Arkham City Joker/Harley combo is also ruthless to the max.

    I don't know. If Harley did that in the Animated Series, it would be out of place. In the comics, the Joker has already done so many outrageous and appalling things that it makes sense to me that Harley doesn't stay behind. But of course, I haven't read this comic so what do I know.

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    DC just announced two new Batman titles: Gotham Academy and Arkham Manor.

    I give up.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    DC's not gonna stop until all 52 titles have Batman on the cover.

    That said, I'm at least curious about anything Becky Cloonan does, so I'll probably check out Gotham Academy.

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    I was so close today to plunging into Batman Eternal. My pull list was wan this week and they have every issue. Tempted, but then Reason kicked in. Also screaming at me was every issue of Future's End. I've been weak when it comes to Zircher-illustrated books in the past, but again, Old Man Reason showed up and dutifully put me in my place. I took leave with no DC. What will it take to get me back on? I thought Infinity Man and the Forever People would do it, but that first issue was so boring.

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    Oh wow, Gail Simone is off Batgirl, and being replaced by Cameron Stewart as a writer. He's just going to do covers for the art, not interiors, but he did do this badass redesign of Babs' costume:

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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    DC just announced two new Batman titles: Gotham Academy and Arkham Manor.

    I give up.
    Arkham Manor sounds amazing.
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    The first thing I noticed (and love) was the jacket not spandex. Then I noticed he pointed it out on the right lol. While the primal hetero in me would double-take the over-sexing of female characters, the logical side of me always thought it was pretty dumb how skimpy they make girls outfits.

    Look at any crowd of normal dressed women and watch how much adjusting they do on regular clothes, how the hell would anyone do martial arts and fight crime in a dominatrix porn fetish outfit?

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    Ads reveal that Mahnke is drawing an issue of Multiversity. There are very few things I want to see more than that issue. Gonna go gawk at some Kelly/Mahnke JLA to sate the hunger for now.

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    Quote Quoting number8 (view post)
    DC just announced two new Batman titles: Gotham Academy and Arkham Manor.

    I give up.
    HAHAHA THEY JUST ANNOUNCED ANOTHER ONE.

    Gotham by Midnight.

    Wow.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    They will not stop until there are 52 Batman titles.

    In all fairness, the Batman line is probably less bad overall than most of the rest of their line. Or maybe I just think that because I like Batman so much.

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    They're also picking some pretty decent talents for the projects. Gotham by Midnight has Ben Templesmith on art, so with that and Gotham Academy and Batgirl, it looks like they're loosening up on the Jim Lee house style a bit.

    But yeah, I'm mostly shaking my head at this because it's like they don't seem to know how to not rely on Batman.

    Speaking of which, finally dropped Snyder's book. Two more issues of Wonder Woman until I'm DC free.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    What'd you think of the end of Zero Year? I had thought it was picking up a bit towards the end, there were some issues in there that were downright fun, but the ending was such a limp, unearned resolution, and all the 25th Hour-esque melodrama with Julie Madison was especially forced and contrived. This was such a gorgeous book, and the colors especially were frequently startling and exciting - and how often can THAT be said about a Big Two book? - so it's a shame that Snyder's storytelling has so often fallen short. There's been a forced grandeur to all his New 52 Batman stories, like he wants very badly to convey the idea that he's telling big, important stories with new perspectives on Batman, but there's nothing to back up that attitude, and every arc he's done so far, even if they've seemed good at various points, has fallen apart entirely at the end.

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    I was basically suffering it for the gorgeous Plascencia coloring. I thought it was mostly a bore. One of the criticisms I've read that I think I agree with after reading the whole thing is that it's way too big for a Riddler origin story. The guy was a dictator for months in his first appearance? And now he's a mid-level threat in jail for robbing banks and stuff? It's an odd direction to take. I've also said before that I think Snyder is very well suited to write Riddler's dialogue given his style, and I did enjoy the bloated banter, but his big Riddler story is essentially just Riddler threatening Batman and Gotham by force with a "answer a riddle and you're free" thing superficially thrown in.

    And yeah, that Julie Madison coda is just overwrought.
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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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    It's a good point about the Riddler, I definitely agree on that front. I don't see what stories they can really do with him (at least convincingly) after going in this direction with him for his debut. It reminds me of the dire mid-70s stories where Denny O'Neil had Two-Face holding the country hostage with nuclear bombs and stuff like that - O'Neil was another guy who, for all the acclaim he's gotten as a Bat writer, never really got a lot of Batman's rogues' gallery.

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    I can now laugh at this, I guess.

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    I was actually just reading about Matt Damon and he’s like, ‘There’s a culture of outrage.’ I’m like, ‘Well, they have a reason to be outraged.’ I think it’s a lot of dudes just being scared. They’re like, ‘What if I did something and I didn’t realize it?’ I’m like, ‘Deal with it.’
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