Avatar Sequel Discussion (Cameron)

[Dukefrukem]

**Don't read below if you haven't seen the first movie**

This news that talks about Avatar 2, is a spoiler for the first Avatar....


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Sigourney would be a part of AVATAR, the first time around, we are learning that she will also be a part of the second film. But wait... She died, right? Yes, but her consciousness was uploaded into that TreeNet thingamagig. So does that mean she'll be just a voice

The interesting part for "Avatar 2" is around 3'30''

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[KK2.0]

Well...
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the whole concept of Avatar is about projecting your conscience to a different vessel, and the Na'vi (as well as several cults around the world) believes your conscience is part of a greater scheme and it actually never disappears, then maybe it makes sense in the context of the movie.

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but maybe it's just me guessing.

[MadMan]

I will use my 7,000th post to say that I think Avatar 2 will be mediocre. And of course it'll be in 3D, for maximizing profits effect.

[[ETM]]

I will use my 7,000th post to say that I think Avatar 2 will be mediocre. And of course it'll be in 3D, for maximizing profits effect.

Oh, shut it already.

[Morris Schæffer]

I'm sorry ETM, but I still cannot muster any excitement for a sequel. Yes, Pandora is a beguiling place, but part one left me with very little beyond [

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"jake is with the Navi now, Earth forces have been destroyed and that's the end of it."

] Perhaps I expecting something as epic as Avatar, and certainly considering the word "trilogy" has been thrown around, to end in a cliffhangery way, but it feels oh so resolved at this point.

Anything is possible of course, but I will need a bigger plot propellant than merely exploring the planet and discovering its secrets. Earth sending more troops and the whole sheband starting over seems like a big NO NO.

It feels done. Jake will start a new life with Neytiri and the Navi will rebuilt their world.

[KK2.0]

Star Wars also ended happilly with a full circle, then Empire came and pulled the rug. There are many stories to explore in a sequel actually. I said it on the other thread and will say it again, i want Earth destroying Pandora in the sequel, a dark, dramatic follow up as usual. Subplots could revolve around the surviving Na'vi being castaway on a different planet, in which they must work in order to "reconnect" and of course, plot for revenge in the third movie.

[Dead & Messed Up]

I'd love to see intertribal warfare with all those different groups of N'avi. Weirded me out how the film was about this one group, then, suddenly, there's a bunch of them on the planet who just up and say, "Shucks, we'll help ya!"

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I'd love to see intertribal warfare with all those different groups of N'avi. Weirded me out how the film was about this one group, then, suddenly, there's a bunch of them on the planet who just up and say, "Shucks, we'll help ya!"

It seemed to me that the Na'vi didn't really care about humans being there until they started destroying stuff. There's some good stuff in the script that would have been cool in the film, like Jake asking Grace about why her school closed, and her answer: "They learned all they needed to know about us and left."
Also, they (the chief and the shaman) specifically let Jake into their lives to learn about human "warriors" and how to defeat them if it comes to that. Na'vi clans seem to keep to themselves, and have different agendas, and they're spread out across the moon so it's plausible that they only come together in times of need.

I don't think Na'vi wars would make for good sequel material. I think Cameron has something in store that will explore the nature of Pandora and Eywa, and how they relate to Earth. I can't believe how there was no talk at all about the obvious "plot holes" of DNA mixing: Na'vi and human DNA should not be compatible, at all. The fact that they have "DNA" is... ludicrous. What are the odds that the star closest to our Sun has a moon that's so similar to our world, and life that is compatible with ours? I think Pandora did not occur naturally, and that mystery will infuse the continued Na'vi human conflict (because humans will be back in, what, a few years? We know they will) and it should be at least lots of fun.

[Spun Lepton]

The sequel starts with a human armada bombing the Na'vi from space and destroying the whole planet, then collecting the Unobtainium from the floating debris.

[[ETM]]

The sequel starts with a human armada bombing the Na'vi from space and destroying the whole planet, then collecting the Unobtainium from the floating debris.

Heh... you can't "collect" it from space. It has to be refined on site, as transporting it as ore is waaay too expensive. Also, the Hell's Gate complex produces fuel for the return trip. The "armada" (which is basically a single near-light speed ship, the Venture Star) wouldn't be able to return home. I mean, dude - Cameron has thought these things out in far more detail than character development.:lol:

[Qrazy]

So were the Na'vi the first and only sentient alien species we'd made contact with (and by extension Pandora the only other habitable planet with indigenous life)? I don't remember the dialogue at the beginning of the film commenting upon this.

[megladon8]

So were the Na'vi the first and only sentient alien species we'd made contact with (and by extension Pandora the only other habitable planet with indigenous life)? I don't remember the dialogue at the beginning of the film commenting upon this.

I don't think there was really any information one way or the other. They could very well be the only sentient beings we'd discovered by then, but there could be others that just weren't mentioned.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Heh... you can't "collect" it from space. It has to be refined on site, as transporting it as ore is waaay too expensive.

Yeah, Spun. What you're talking about sounds like some kind of space fantasy.

[Thirdmango]

The Navi exact revenge and blow up Earth!

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The Navi make Avatars themselves and go to Earth only to find out that this kid in a trenchcoat is the One. But these Octopus things are trying to eat them in real life so they gotta jump out and fight them...

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Sigourney's dead but they must use her body to help them sneak into the biggest party of the summer and they pretend she's still alive!

[[ETM]]

:lol:

I don't know why I even bother.

[number8]

No no, the sequel should be how years later Jake started missing his old Earth technology and started telling the Na'vi how microwaves are so convenient and shit, and so the Na'vi start a tech boom, right, and eventually in a decade or two they've polluted Pandora and Eywa pitches a fit and all nature dies, so they have to travel to a new planet, but their indigenous warriors fight back against the technologically advanced Na'vi. AND THAT PLANET IS EARTH.

[Qrazy]

I don't think there was really any information one way or the other. They could very well be the only sentient beings we'd discovered by then, but there could be others that just weren't mentioned.

Hmmm well if that's the case I feel like that kind of thing makes a pretty big difference and is something Cameron should have figured out and established in the film. First contact is kind of a big thing.

[number8]

Hmmm well if that's the case I feel like that kind of thing makes a pretty big difference and is something Cameron should have figured out and established in the film. First contact is kind of a big thing.

Not if they made the first contact decades and decades ago, as I believe is the case in the movie. Jake: "Pandora. You hear about it when you were growing up..."

[Qrazy]

Not if they made the first contact decades and decades ago, as I believe is the case in the movie. Jake: "Pandora. You hear about it when you were growing up..."

Ehh I still think it makes a difference whether they're the only other sentient alien species we know or not. ETM was saying that Cameron has thought these things out. This kind of basic history seems like something that also should have been thought out.

[number8]

Ehh I still think it makes a difference whether they're the only other sentient alien species we know or not.

Difference in what?

[D_Davis]

Maybe next time they'll go to the mysteriously named planet, Hades.

[Skitch]

Eh, I'm not pumped for a sequel either, especially not by Cameron. I'd prefer he tackles someone new...let someone else do a sequel. I like when he does new stuff.

[EyesWideOpen]

Ehh I still think it makes a difference whether they're the only other sentient alien species we know or not. ETM was saying that Cameron has thought these things out. This kind of basic history seems like something that also should have been thought out.

That information had no bearing on the movie so why should it have been established in the film?

[Qrazy]

Difference in what?

The way the entire operation would be set up and the dynamic Pandora has with Earth.

[Qrazy]

That information had no bearing on the movie so why should it have been established in the film?

I think it has a bearing on these characters whether these were the first alien species they've ever seen. In Star Wars it's not surprising to see a new race because you're constantly surrounded by different races. In a world where you've never seen an alien before (even if the human race as a whole had seen them before) it changes the way you act when you finally do see one.