Absolutely god damn right to both. Oh, and you should convince me to read Infinite Jest.Quoting Milky Joe (view post)
Absolutely god damn right to both. Oh, and you should convince me to read Infinite Jest.Quoting Milky Joe (view post)
I am impatient of all misery in others that is not mad. Thou should'st go mad, blacksmith; say, why dost thou not go mad? How can'st thou endure without being mad? Do the heavens yet hate thee, that thou can'st not go mad?
lists and reviews
Me too please.Quoting Melville (view post)
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- The Catcher in the Rye - J.D. Salinger
- The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald
- Infinite Jest - David Foster Wallace
- The Unbearable Lightness of Being - Milan Kundera
- The Crossing - Cormac McCarthy
- The Hotel New Hampshire - John Irving
- Cities of the Plain - Cormac McCarthy
- A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - James Joyce
- Tender is the Night - F. Scott Fitzgerald
- All the Pretty Horses - Cormac McCarthy
Last movies seen
Frank: Good
Mistaken for Strangers: Good
Guardians of the Galaxy: Good
Last TV seasons watched
Treme (S04): Good
The Legend of Korra (S03): Good
Currently reading
This Side of Paradise - F. Scott Fitzgerald
In English?Quoting EvilShoe (view post)
Um, well, I'm in the middle of a Kierkegaard/Adorno class (with a total badass professor by the name of John Vignaux Smyth) and I'm about to start working on my final paper for it which will be a discussion of Infinite Jest's treatment of irony as it relates to Kierkegaard's Concept of Irony among other things. It's still in its infancy but after class today I'm having a nearly overwhelming amount of ideas swimming around in my head about it.Quoting Melville (view post)
It's the most important piece of literary fiction of the 20th century, at least other than Gravity's Rainbow though that's arguable. It's deceptively complex, infinitely so. And Wallace was by no means a lightweight when it came to philosophy, continental or otherwise. Someone with your background could get so much out of it--more people such as yourself should read it, it really needs that kind of support. Wallace said that it's a book that should take about 2 months to read well--contrast that to the reviews of the book that came out a week after it was released... did those people really read it? It's a shame that Wallace was marketed as some kind of rock star or whatever, because that's so far from the writer that he actually was: deeply considerate of and influenced by the Western tradition, etc etc. I'm sure that if he had had the choice he would have been as reclusive as Pynchon.
Anyway, I don't know if I'm doing a good job of convincing you. By all means ask me questions and I'll try to answer.
Do you mean as opposed to German?Quoting kuehnepips
The severed arm perfectly acquitted itself, because of the simplicity of its wishes and its total lack of doubt.
Nice. I love me some Kierkegaardian irony (though I haven't read Concept of Irony). What's your thesis?Quoting Milky Joe (view post)
I've been reading (rereading, in some cases) a collection of Melville's stories. His is probably the most interesting use of irony I can think of.
How are you gauging importance? I liked GR, but I can't say I was as impressed by it as were most people on here.
I am impatient of all misery in others that is not mad. Thou should'st go mad, blacksmith; say, why dost thou not go mad? How can'st thou endure without being mad? Do the heavens yet hate thee, that thou can'st not go mad?
lists and reviews
I can't say how Milky Joe gauges importance but, by any standard, Infinite Jest is totally essential. This side of maybe Don DeLillo (who would win my "most interesting use of irony" award), David Foster Wallace was the author with the firmest grasp on the American mindset in the second half of the twentieth century and beyond. Or at least he was the one who knew how to frame that mindset in the most logical way possible. Infinite Jest is the perfect snapshot of a mood and a time and a culture and thousands of years from now, people are going to read it and then they'll understand us
Don't really have one yet. I'll let you know when I do.Quoting Melville (view post)
I'm in the same boat actually. I guess by important I somewhat shallowly meant "most likely to be canonized and read 100 years from now." It's a Major Work, in other words, that deals with essential themes in a completely systematic and completely original way. There is this great little review posted the other day that contains this (probably the main reason I mentioned GR actually--it's just so in vogue amongst the literati): "Harold Bloom (lampooned in endnote 366 of Infinite Jest) defines canonicity as: strangeness, a mode of originality that either cannot be assimilated, or that so assimilates us that we cease to see it as strange. By this definition at least, it is safe to assume that Infinite Jest, the most important work of fiction in English, probably, since Gravity’s Rainbow, looks set to become canonical."
The 20th century could be broken down to its essentials as such: Joyce (Beckett), Gaddis, Pynchon/(Barth? Delillo?), Wallace, but that's mostly meaningless, the kind of measuring-contest crap people like to spout on internet forums. The point is you should read and enjoy it because it is eminently readable and enjoyable, particularly someone who enjoys the maximalism of say, Joyce, or Melville.
The severed arm perfectly acquitted itself, because of the simplicity of its wishes and its total lack of doubt.
haven't heard the word before. love it!Quoting Milky Joe (view post)
"Over analysis is like the oil of the Match-Cut machine." KK2.0
Gotta love the uncanny. Okay, I'm sold on it, especially given your comparison to Joyce. Probably start reading it after Gide's Strait is the Gait and Bernhard's Correction.Quoting Milky Joe (view post)
I am impatient of all misery in others that is not mad. Thou should'st go mad, blacksmith; say, why dost thou not go mad? How can'st thou endure without being mad? Do the heavens yet hate thee, that thou can'st not go mad?
lists and reviews
Definitely. Don't think there's even a Dutch version out there.Quoting kuehnepips (view post)
Last movies seen
Frank: Good
Mistaken for Strangers: Good
Guardians of the Galaxy: Good
Last TV seasons watched
Treme (S04): Good
The Legend of Korra (S03): Good
Currently reading
This Side of Paradise - F. Scott Fitzgerald
1. Ripley Under Water by Patricia HighsmithQuoting ContinentalOp (view post)
2. The Walking Dead Vol. 11: Fear the Hunters by Robert Kirkman
3. Ripley's Game by Patricia Highsmith
4. The Barbarous Coast by Ross MacDonald
5. Strangers on a Train by Patricia Highsmith
6. The Boy Who Followed Ripley by Patricia Highsmith
Blown away by the last 150 or so pages of RUW. Such a darkly satisfying read. I'm well on pace to finish 20 books this year. Still working on Under the Dome (about 700 pages in) and I'm going to start either Time to Murder and Create by Lawrence Block or Snitch Jacket by Christopher Goffard.
Out of ****:
Chef- ** 1/2
The Interview- ** 1/2
White Bird in a Blizzard- ** 1/2
Frank- *** 1/2
A Walk Among the Tombstones- ***
1. Things Fall Apart - Chinua Achebe
2. Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close - Jonathan Safran Foer
3. The Financial Lives of the Poets - Walter
4. Escape from the Deep - Kershaw
5. The Poisonwood Bible - Kingsolver
6. Mirage: Napoleon's Scientists and the Unveiling of Egypt - Nina Burleigh
7. The Book of Basketball - Simmons
I can't bring myself to list The Kite Runner. It was far too abysmal to receive mention in a 'Best of' list. I'd rather the list remain shorter than give anyone the impression that it's worth reading.
Updated w/ more Kierkegaard, plus bumping Woolf up a bit.
Quoting Milky Joe (view post)
The severed arm perfectly acquitted itself, because of the simplicity of its wishes and its total lack of doubt.
1. Human Action - Ludwig von Mises
2. Game Change - John Heilemann & Mark Halperin
3. Day of Deceit - Robert Stinnett
4. The American Story - Garet Garret
5. Lies the Government Told You - Andrew Napolitano
Currently Reading:
Economic Thought Before Adam Smith - Murray Rothbard
Free to Choose - Milton Friedman
Where Keynes Went Wrong - Hunter Lewis
01. The Dhammapada (Tr. Gil Fronsdal, 2005)
02. Welcome to the Monkey House (Kurt Vonnegut, 1968)
03. Teatro Grottesco (Thomas Ligotti, 2006)
04. The House of the Seven Gables (Nathaniel Hawthorne, 1851)
05. The Walking Dead, Volumes 1 - 11 (Robert Kirkman, 2003)
06. The History of the Devil (Clive Barker, 1980)
07. Fragile Things (Neil Gaiman, 2006)
08. Jaws (Peter Benchley, 1974)
09.
10.
[]
- The Catcher in the Rye - J.D. Salinger
- The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald
- Infinite Jest - David Foster Wallace
- The Unbearable Lightness of Being - Milan Kundera
- The Crossing - Cormac McCarthy
- Friday Night Lights - H.G. Bissinger
- The Hotel New Hampshire - John Irving
- Cities of the Plain - Cormac McCarthy
- Perfume - Patrick Süskind
- Tender is the Night - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Last movies seen
Frank: Good
Mistaken for Strangers: Good
Guardians of the Galaxy: Good
Last TV seasons watched
Treme (S04): Good
The Legend of Korra (S03): Good
Currently reading
This Side of Paradise - F. Scott Fitzgerald
i've been doing too much rereading this year and over the last 7 weeks i've only finished about 3 books. need to pick it up.Quoting ledfloyd (view post)
Update to mark 20 books read.
Quoting Melville (view post)
I am impatient of all misery in others that is not mad. Thou should'st go mad, blacksmith; say, why dost thou not go mad? How can'st thou endure without being mad? Do the heavens yet hate thee, that thou can'st not go mad?
lists and reviews
Oh, yes.Quoting Melville (view post)
The severed arm perfectly acquitted itself, because of the simplicity of its wishes and its total lack of doubt.
Yeah, took a break from Infinite Jest to read Molloy, but now I think I'll read the whole trilogy. Seriously brilliant stuff. Everything's falling apart. All the rifts in human existence are laid bare.Quoting Milky Joe (view post)
I am impatient of all misery in others that is not mad. Thou should'st go mad, blacksmith; say, why dost thou not go mad? How can'st thou endure without being mad? Do the heavens yet hate thee, that thou can'st not go mad?
lists and reviews
1. The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 - Wright
2. The Naked and the Dead - Mailer
3. The Idiot - Dostoevsky
4. Nine Stories - Salinger
5. Pale Blue Dot - Sagan
6. Of Love and Other Demons - Marquez
7. Red Harvest - Hammett
8. The Blood Oranges - Hawkes
9. White Teeth - Zadie Smith
Now reading: The Master Switch by Tim Wu
1. Ripley Under Water by Patricia HighsmithQuoting ContinentalOp (view post)
2. The Walking Dead Vol. 11: Fear the Hunters by Robert Kirkman
3. Ripley's Game by Patricia Highsmith
4. The Moving Target by Ross MacDonald
5. Under the Dome by Stephen King
6. The Barbarous Coast by Ross MacDonald
7. Strangers on a Train by Patricia Highsmith
8. The Boy Who Followed Ripley by Patricia Highsmith
Out of ****:
Chef- ** 1/2
The Interview- ** 1/2
White Bird in a Blizzard- ** 1/2
Frank- *** 1/2
A Walk Among the Tombstones- ***
Nice. Did you really like it, or is it just here because you haven't read much that is better this year?Quoting ContinentalOp (view post)
Personally, I loved it. I think it's King's best single novel. It's 90% brilliant.
The first 200 or so pages are sublime, containing some of King's strongest writing.
I was impressed by and in awe of the first 700 pages or so, until a certain event happened, []. I thought it lost a lot of the tension it once had and turned into something that didn't hold my interest as much. That said, King created some fascinating characters, interactions and situations. It was definitely worth a read for these pluses.Quoting Daniel Davis (view post)
Out of ****:
Chef- ** 1/2
The Interview- ** 1/2
White Bird in a Blizzard- ** 1/2
Frank- *** 1/2
A Walk Among the Tombstones- ***