Sangre, cuchillos, y tetas --- Horror Film Discussion

[Grouchy]

Huh, sorry, but no. The second Freddy is one of the most hilariously inept movies I've ever seen. Not only the dancing scene, but every other dialogue being terrible and the weird decision to make the main character a closet homosexual who keeps finding himself in compromising situations... that stuff doesn't really help the Horror.

[megladon8]

At what point is it shown that he's a closet homosexual?

He's in love with a gorgeous red-head.

[Grouchy]

At what point is it shown that he's a closet homosexual?

He's in love with a gorgeous red-head.

It's never stated, but it's obviously the whole point of the film and the real reason he keeps rejecting her. Come on, now. Think about the shower scene.

[megladon8]

It's never stated, but it's obviously the whole point of the film and the real reason he keeps rejecting her. Come on, now. Think about the shower scene.

I really don't see it at all. I think that's grasping at straws. Personally I don't think the film was "deep" enough to have an underlying message about homosexuality.

And I don't see what's so inept about the film. It's not like the dialogue in the original was wonderous, and I don't see it being any worse here.

None of your points have given me any more insight into the hatred towards this movie :P

[megladon8]

The Dream Warriors tonight!

[The Mike]

The Dream Warriors tonight!

Still my favorite of the series (but I've only seen three of 'em).

[megladon8]

Still my favorite of the series (but I've only seen three of 'em).

...wait.

Weren't you a member of the Axis?

Like, how the heck can this be?

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In all fairness, I hadn't seen any of the Friday the 13th movies until last year.

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But seriously, get on that, dude! New Nightmare is the bees knees...the cats pajamas...the shiznit in the hiznit!!

[Spun Lepton]

I really don't see it at all. I think that's grasping at straws. Personally I don't think the film was "deep" enough to have an underlying message about homosexuality.

Jack Sholder readily admits the movie is filled with closet-homosexual imagery.

[D_Davis]

I really don't see it at all. I think that's grasping at straws. Personally I don't think the film was "deep" enough to have an underlying message about homosexuality.

That's actually a very common way of looking at the film:

http://www.joblo.com/arrow/reviews.php?id=445
http://www.fatally-yours.com/horror-...eddys-revenge/
http://www.freddyinspace.com/2008/08...-2-so-gay.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night...n_Elm_Street_2

Film commentators often remark on the film's perceived homoerotic theme. Some people have argued that a subtext exists about Jesse's alleged repressed homosexuality (never clarified in the movie), and they point out the encounter that he has with his gym teacher in a bisexual S&M leather bar, and his flight to a male friend's house after an aborted attempt of making out at his girlfriend's pool party.[2][3] During the latter scene, Jesse, shirt unbuttoned, states that he's scared that "something is trying to get inside my body"; his shirtless friend replies, "Yeah, and she's female and waiting for you in the cabana, and you want to sleep with me." Director Jack Sholder claims that he never intended for there to be a gay subtext to the film, but has subsequently admitted that he does see it in the film, according to the "Nightmare Encyclopedia" included on the DVD box set. Mark Patton, the actor who portrays Jesse, is in fact gay.

It also played at the Seattle Gay and Lesbian film fest:

http://seattlelgff.bside.com/2008/fi...eattlelgff2008

Could this be the gayest horror movie ever made…by accident? The filmmakers have denied ever having a gay agenda when creating this first sequel in the long-running Freddy Krueger franchise. But when you watch this campy horror classic from a homo perspective, it’s hard to miss all the subtext—intended or otherwise.

[Qrazy]

That's actually a very common way of looking at the film:

http://www.joblo.com/arrow/reviews.php?id=445
http://www.fatally-yours.com/horror-...eddys-revenge/
http://www.freddyinspace.com/2008/08...-2-so-gay.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night...n_Elm_Street_2



It also played at the Seattle Gay and Lesbian film fest:

http://seattlelgff.bside.com/2008/fi...eattlelgff2008

Speaking of gay things did you ever see the anime Hikaru No Go? It's about a Go player who has a long dead expert Go player (Sai) spirit in his head. At a certain point in the story the spirit leaves... the boy then exclaims... Sai I want you back inside of me! The spirit and the boy look like this...



... NAMBLA subtext methinks?

[D_Davis]

I always thought Hikaru No Go was gay.

[lovejuice]

Speaking of gay things did you ever see the anime Hikaru No Go?

hikaru no go > death note,
which is pretty gay too.

but i think manga with the most obvious gay subtext is wild half, about a boy and his were-dog.