Sangre, cuchillos, y tetas --- Horror Film Discussion

**megladon8** · 06-09-2009, 04:43 PM

Quoting Grouchy (view post)

It's never stated, but it's obviously the whole point of the film and the real reason he keeps rejecting her. Come on, now. Think about the shower scene.

I really don't see it at all. I think that's grasping at straws. Personally I don't think the film was "deep" enough to have an underlying message about homosexuality.

And I don't see what's so inept about the film. It's not like the dialogue in the original was wonderous, and I don't see it being any worse here.

None of your points have given me any more insight into the hatred towards this movie :P

**megladon8** · 06-09-2009, 10:55 PM

The Dream Warriors tonight!

**The Mike** · 06-09-2009, 10:56 PM

Quoting megladon8 (view post)

The Dream Warriors tonight!

Still my favorite of the series (but I've only seen three of 'em).

**megladon8** · 06-09-2009, 11:01 PM

Quoting The Mike (view post)

Still my favorite of the series (but I've only seen three of 'em).

...wait.

Weren't you a member of the Axis?

Like, how the heck can this be?

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But seriously, get on that, dude! New Nightmare is the bees knees...the cats pajamas...the shiznit in the hiznit!!

**Dead & Messed Up** · 06-09-2009, 11:37 PM

Quoting megladon8 (view post)

...wait.

Weren't you a member of the Axis?

Like, how the heck can this be?

I've only seen three of the Nightmare series, three of the Jason films, and four of the Halloween films. Of those, I could've happily skipped seven of them.

**megladon8** · 06-09-2009, 11:45 PM

Still all of the things in the quoted paragraph you posted, D, have simple non-homosexual explanations. At least as far as Jesse is concerned.

Freddy inhabits Jesse's body and is gaining energy by helping Jesse to kill those who have wronged him (as we see in the film). He goes to the S&M club in search of the teacher, because earlier in the film we are told by another character that said teacher frequents this club. So it's not like Jesse went there of his own accord and just happened to run into him.

Also,it's really grasping at straws there with the "goes to a male friend's house with shirt unbuttoned". This is such a vague allusion to homosexuality, it strikes me as something one wouldn't see unless they were actively looking for it.

Might as well say John McClane is gay, because at the end of Die Hard he's wearing a white muscle shirt and talking with Alan Rickman, both of them holding guns (phallic symbolism!) and McClane's feet are injured, alluding to the idea that he's "walking on hot coals" by exposing his homosexual intentions via the muscle shirt and gun.

I just can't buy it. Sounds to me like stuff that was thought up because the lead actor is gay, and it got peoples' minds working the wrong way while watching the movie.

**D_Davis** · 06-09-2009, 11:47 PM

Sometimes, when the consensus says one thing, it's because it is.

It has long been commented on that the film contains some homoerotic undertones.

That's all.

I thought so too the first time I watched it, and I just found out that dude was gay today.

**The Mike** · 06-09-2009, 11:52 PM

Quoting megladon8 (view post)

...wait.

Weren't you a member of the Axis?

Like, how the heck can this be?

[

Show Spoiler

]

But seriously, get on that, dude! New Nightmare is the bees knees...the cats pajamas...the shiznit in the hiznit!!

I've seen 1, 3, and New Nightmare. Fan of each, but I've avoided the rest of the series so far. But, the fact one is directed by Renny Harlin means I must see them sooner or later.

**The Mike** · 06-09-2009, 11:53 PM

Shit, Jack Sholder directed one too? I will fix my wrongness ASAP.

**megladon8** · 06-09-2009, 11:54 PM

Quoting The Mike (view post)

I've seen 1, 3, and New Nightmare. Fan of each, but I've avoided the rest of the series so far. But, the fact one is directed by Renny Harlin means I must see them sooner or later.

Well you've basically seen the best of the series, then, but I still recommend seeing them all...just because

Have you seen Freddy vs. Jason? Great movie, that one is.

**The Mike** · 06-09-2009, 11:54 PM

Quoting megladon8 (view post)

Have you seen Freddy vs. Jason? Great movie, that one is.

Oh yeah, I forgot to count that one. For some reason, I count it more in the F13 branch than the ANOES branch.

**The Mike** · 06-11-2009, 02:52 AM

Can we all agree that Scanners is possibly the worst "acclaimed", "original" horror film ever made? Good god, this movie is killing my soul.

**Spun Lepton** · 06-11-2009, 03:00 AM

Quoting The Mike (view post)

Can we all agree that Scanners is possibly the worst "acclaimed", "original" horror film ever made? Good god, this movie is killing my soul.

Michael Ironside makes that movie. The lead guy is a fucking plank of wood, though, and he drags the rest of the movie down with him.

**Dead & Messed Up** · 06-11-2009, 03:01 AM

Quoting The Mike (view post)

Can we all agree that Scanners is possibly the worst "acclaimed", "original" horror film ever made? Good god, this movie is killing my soul.

It's pretty awful.

**jenniferofthejungle** · 06-17-2009, 01:11 AM

Quoting The Mike (view post)

Can we all agree that Scanners is possibly the worst "acclaimed", "original" horror film ever made? Good god, this movie is killing my soul.

If not for the classic head explosion shot and Scanner-effects it would be completely forgettable.

Spun, I agree about the lead actor. He is awful and dull as hell. Cronenberg did the same thing with the lead actor in Rabid. The guy was simply too wooden and boring to hold the movie up.

**Spun Lepton** · 06-09-2009, 11:12 PM

Quoting megladon8 (view post)

I really don't see it at all. I think that's grasping at straws. Personally I don't think the film was "deep" enough to have an underlying message about homosexuality.

Jack Sholder readily admits the movie is filled with closet-homosexual imagery.

**D_Davis** · 06-09-2009, 11:18 PM

Quoting megladon8 (view post)

I really don't see it at all. I think that's grasping at straws. Personally I don't think the film was "deep" enough to have an underlying message about homosexuality.

That's actually a very common way of looking at the film:

http://www.joblo.com/arrow/reviews.php?id=445
http://www.fatally-yours.com/horror-...eddys-revenge/
http://www.freddyinspace.com/2008/08...-2-so-gay.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night...n_Elm_Street_2

Film commentators often remark on the film's perceived homoerotic theme. Some people have argued that a subtext exists about Jesse's alleged repressed homosexuality (never clarified in the movie), and they point out the encounter that he has with his gym teacher in a bisexual S&M leather bar, and his flight to a male friend's house after an aborted attempt of making out at his girlfriend's pool party.[2][3] During the latter scene, Jesse, shirt unbuttoned, states that he's scared that "something is trying to get inside my body"; his shirtless friend replies, "Yeah, and she's female and waiting for you in the cabana, and you want to sleep with me." Director Jack Sholder claims that he never intended for there to be a gay subtext to the film, but has subsequently admitted that he does see it in the film, according to the "Nightmare Encyclopedia" included on the DVD box set. Mark Patton, the actor who portrays Jesse, is in fact gay.

It also played at the Seattle Gay and Lesbian film fest:

http://seattlelgff.bside.com/2008/fi...eattlelgff2008

Could this be the gayest horror movie ever made…by accident? The filmmakers have denied ever having a gay agenda when creating this first sequel in the long-running Freddy Krueger franchise. But when you watch this campy horror classic from a homo perspective, it’s hard to miss all the subtext—intended or otherwise.

**Qrazy** · 06-10-2009, 01:59 AM

Quoting Daniel Davis (view post)

That's actually a very common way of looking at the film:

http://www.joblo.com/arrow/reviews.php?id=445
http://www.fatally-yours.com/horror-...eddys-revenge/
http://www.freddyinspace.com/2008/08...-2-so-gay.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night...n_Elm_Street_2

It also played at the Seattle Gay and Lesbian film fest:

http://seattlelgff.bside.com/2008/fi...eattlelgff2008

Speaking of gay things did you ever see the anime Hikaru No Go? It's about a Go player who has a long dead expert Go player (Sai) spirit in his head. At a certain point in the story the spirit leaves... the boy then exclaims... Sai I want you back inside of me! The spirit and the boy look like this...

... NAMBLA subtext methinks?

**D_Davis** · 06-10-2009, 02:48 AM

I always thought Hikaru No Go was gay.

**lovejuice** · 06-10-2009, 04:33 AM

Quoting Qrazy (view post)

Speaking of gay things did you ever see the anime Hikaru No Go?

hikaru no go > death note,
which is pretty gay too.

but i think manga with the most obvious gay subtext is wild half, about a boy and his were-dog.

**The Mike** · 06-10-2009, 04:53 AM

Just started in on ANOES 2. That guy's gay.

Also, I'm craving some Fu Man Chews. Best fake cereal ever.

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