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    Quote Quoting Morris Schæffer (view post)
    I'm not sure I'd wanna choose between 70's, 80's or 90's or whatever but I ain't gonna disagree with ya. It's a great decade.
    Oh I love those, too. I do need to see more from the 1930s that's for sure.
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    If I had to pick a "weakest decade" it would probably be the 2000s or 2010s.

    But as time passes we tend to filter out most of the garbage and remember just the good stuff. So in 20 years I could have a very different opinion.
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    I'm 34 but I feel more like a young Gen X-er. I relate more to their movies, music and shows anyways. Saying that someone likes this movie or that movie because of their age bracket is pretty dumb.
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    Im curious to see some of these nudity filled films from the 30s that came out before they started censorship stuff.

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    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    Im curious to see some of these nudity filled films from the 30s that came out before they started censorship stuff.
    Haven't really seen any of these, but I've seen some great movies from the pre-censorship era that are very frank about sex, relationships, etc.

    Baby Face with Barbara Stanwyck is a great movie.
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    Taking any recs from that era!

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    I don't feel this is true at all. Why are you generalizing so much between these eras? And why are the 50s and 60s so appealing to my "Millennial" attention span but not the 70s? I'm seeing 8-10 ASL with Hitchcock using your precious CINEMETRICS.
    In general, I think one can see a steep decline in the quality of American cinema after 1960, which has accelerated in the last thirty years due to the introduction of digital editing in the early 1990s (and prior to that, digital sound mixing)--a change that Scorsese himself both helped to bring about and has had to respond to (see his oft-quoted line about Goodfellas being his version of MTV cutting). In this downward trajectory, Taxi Driver and other films of the New Hollywood period represent a transitional phase between the classical découpage of Ford, Hawks, Wyler, et al. and the unrelieved awfulness of mainstream filmmaking today. I'm not against fast cutting per se (I like Soviet montage films and the '30s films of Naruse and Ozu); what I dislike about contemporary Hollywood cinema is its monotony and formulaic approach to covering a scene. (I remember seeing The Prestige in theatres and finding it physically painful to watch because of how it was shot and cut.)

    As for your ability to enjoy films of the 1950s, that just makes it all the more puzzling to me why you think this scene from Taxi Driver (which would be common in a '50s film) is so beyond the pale.
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    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    Taking any recs from that era!
    I hear Baby Face with Barbara Stanwyck is really good!
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    I hear Baby Face with Barbara Stanwyck is really good!
    It's pretty good, at times great, though it predictably goes soft at the end.
    Just because...
    The Childhood of Maxim Gorky (Mark Donskoy, 1938) cold
    Invasión (Hugo Santiago, 1969) cold
    The Affair (Yoshida Kiju, 1967) mild

    The last book I read was...
    The Varieties of Religious Experience: A Study in Human Nature by William James


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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    I hear Baby Face with Barbara Stanwyck is really good!
    Me too!

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    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    It's pretty good, at times great, though it predictably goes soft at the end.
    That's what she said.
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    In general, I think one can see a steep decline in the quality of American cinema after 1960, which has accelerated in the last thirty years due to the introduction of digital editing in the early 1990s (and prior to that, digital sound mixing)--a change that Scorsese himself both helped to bring about and has had to respond to (see his oft-quoted line about Goodfellas being his version of MTV cutting).
    Technology caused the decline of American cinema? Or quantity over quality is making it appear this way because of the abundance of film making technology.

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    Maybe a bit of both?

    I truly miss practical effects.

    Yeah, yeah, you still see some interesting makeup and costumes.

    But I doubt we will ever again see something like John Carpenter's The Thing, An American Werewolf in London, From Beyond, etc.

    CGI can impress for sure, but I personally find we have sidelined (maybe even all out lost) an incredible art form in favour of the ease of computer effects.

    I find fake looking practical effects (Terminator eye scene) much more charming than fake looking CGI (the entire Stephen Sommers filmography).
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    I agree with baby doll -- holding to the master is a great artistic choice -- but then Duke coining "cinemetrics" off the cuff while Skitch randomly shouts for movies featuring great-grandma's tits is fucking LEGENDARY

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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    I agree with baby doll -- holding to the master is a great artistic choice -- but then Duke coining "cinemetrics" off the cuff while Skitch randomly shouts for movies featuring great-grandma's tits is fucking LEGENDARY
    Was there ever something more worthy of the MatchCut banner?
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    I agree with baby doll -- holding to the master is a great artistic choice -- but then Duke coining "cinemetrics" off the cuff while Skitch randomly shouts for movies featuring great-grandma's tits is fucking LEGENDARY
    Hey I resent that, I'm not sexist, I'm fine with dongs getting equal screen time

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    Ah, I misread. Duke didn't coin it. But "your precious CINEMETRICS" is still pretty legendary tho.

    The thing I like about that "Taxi Driver" scene is that Scorsese puts us in the streets, both literally and metaphorically. Anyone who has lived in a big city has witnessed 2 guys about to throw down. The smart thing to do is to walk away. But this is a movie and we can't. Scorsese doesn't move the camera and he doesn't cut. We know what's about to happen and there's great tension in waiting for it to happen.

    For American cultural disasters, my top 6 are:

    1. The steadicam
    2. The introduction of the federal highway system in the 1950s
    3. The deregulation of the American airline industry in the 1970s
    4. The popularity of primetime soaps in the 1980s
    5. Increased globalization starting in the late 1990s
    6. The creation of Bittorrent, circa the early 2000s

    #1 and #4 had a huge effect on how movies are made and how people interpret them

    #2 and #3 changed production logistics and allowed audiences to experience places they previously only saw in the movies.
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    Curious about why steadicam was a bad thing?
    I'm not being dramatic, I just feel like I'm going to throw up my heart and my head is going to fly away like a bird.

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Curious about why steadicam was a bad thing?
    Steadicams are the great homogenizer, the photoshop brush of the film industry, the artistic equivalent of Instagram and Tik Tok.

    The tool itself is value neutral, but it's overused because it's cheap. It obviates the edit, cinema's one unique attribute, and increasingly makes blocking a lost art. With digital, it's too easy to overshoot your coverage and "fix" everything in post.

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    Technology caused the decline of American cinema? Or quantity over quality is making it appear this way because of the abundance of film making technology.
    I don't want to make a technological determinist argument that technology caused the decline of Hollywood filmmaking; rather, I would contend that digital technology has simply accelerated an already marked decline in quality. The root cause for this, I would argue, is that after the 1950s, television is increasingly seen within the industry as the ultimate destination for films and a training ground for young directors with the consequence that most commercial movies now are staged, shot, edited, and mixed like TV shows. This can already been seen at least as far back as Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark: The plots of these films are merely pretexts for a series of set pieces of roughly equal importance. In other words, every scene is hyped as a climax. The results can be diverting for a while, but at feature length, the films reach a point of diminishing returns pretty fast. (It doesn't help matters that films are longer now than in the classical era.) Moreover, there's a widespread attitude in the industry now of "We'll find it in post." That is, rather than cutting films in their heads before they shoot (as Ford did), directors now cover a scene from a multitude of angles and cross their figures. In particular, it should be obvious to anyone with eyes in their head that, as a director, Christopher Nolan has no idea what he's doing. Even in the simplest scenes, his choices about where to place the camera and when to move it are essentially arbitrary. His films lack the unity of action, meaning, and technique that distinguished the best films of the classical period (The Reckless Moment, Johnny Guitar, Rio Bravo, Wild River, etc.) because he hasn't put the slightest thought into his stylistic choices. If there's an epidemic of people looking at their cell phones in theatres (or rather, if there was before COVID), that's in part because the style of the films themselves encourages the sort of distracted viewership characteristic of watching television, where we're not supposed to attend closely to what's happening on the screen at every moment.
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    The Childhood of Maxim Gorky (Mark Donskoy, 1938) cold
    Invasión (Hugo Santiago, 1969) cold
    The Affair (Yoshida Kiju, 1967) mild

    The last book I read was...
    The Varieties of Religious Experience: A Study in Human Nature by William James


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    I donno guys to me a good movie is a good movie regardless of when it was made or how it was made.
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    And as he lay there
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    He felt his choice of jobs
    Was such a mistake
    He could have been a doctor
    In a soft easy chair
    Instead he chose three stars
    A territorial affair

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    Quote Quoting DFA1979 (view post)
    I donno guys to me a good movie is a good movie regardless of when it was made or how it was made.
    As Roger Ebert used to say, "A film is not what it is about, but how it is about it." The how is everything.
    Just because...
    The Childhood of Maxim Gorky (Mark Donskoy, 1938) cold
    Invasión (Hugo Santiago, 1969) cold
    The Affair (Yoshida Kiju, 1967) mild

    The last book I read was...
    The Varieties of Religious Experience: A Study in Human Nature by William James


    The (New) World

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    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    As Roger Ebert used to say, "A film is not what it is about, but how it is about it." The how is everything.
    I think I remember him saying that. Anyways good quote, and very true.
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    And as he lay there
    Playing games with his pain
    He felt his choice of jobs
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    He could have been a doctor
    In a soft easy chair
    Instead he chose three stars
    A territorial affair

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    Haha Ebert, too bad he's not around anymore. What the heck! Shall I regale y'all with a random Ebert quote?

    This one from Freddy Got Fingered:

    This movie doesn't scrape the bottom of the barrel. This movie isn't the bottom of the barrel. This movie isn't below the bottom of the barrel. This movie doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with barrels.
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    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    As Roger Ebert used to say, "A film is not what it is about, but how it is about it." The how is everything.
    Pffft. Entertainment first. How it achieves Entertainment second.

    Or what I like to say: "leave your film school bs in film school"

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