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  1. #69626
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    Collateral
    Heat
    Miami Vice
    Manhunter

    Good
    The Last of the Mohicans
    Thief

    Okay/meh
    Public Enemies
    Ali
    The Keep

    Not good
    Blackhat
    The Insider

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    I really love the scene in Thief where the villain gives a speech to James Caan who is lying on the floor.

    I'm not really a fan of most things Michael Mann, but I'll forever champion Heat and The Insider. Those are some truly great filmmaking. Manhunter and Collateral, also good.

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    1. The Last of Mohicans
    2. Heat
    3. The Insider
    4. Manhunter
    5. Thief
    6. Miami Vice
    7. Collateral
    8. Ali
    9. Public Enemies
    10. Blackhat
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    El
    (1973) 70
    The Day After
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    Duck, You Sucker (1971) 68
    Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) 71
    Noriko’s Dinner Party
    (2005) 61
    The Third Murder (2017) 56

    /Audition
    (1999) 85

    /Toy Story
    (1995) 65
    Vice (2018) 57
    The Counterfeit Traitor (1962) 62

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    The lack of love for Public Enemies hurts deep.

    And jeez, is Blackhat really that bad?

    I remember a funny story from back when it was promoted at ComicCon and when the trailer was shown apparently the place was silent with apathy.

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    The lack of love for Public Enemies hurts deep.

    And jeez, is Blackhat really that bad?

    I remember a funny story from back when it was promoted at ComicCon and when the trailer was shown apparently the place was silent with apathy.
    Black hat was just really forgettable.

    Like I really forget it.

  6. #69631
    1. Thief
    2. Manhunter
    3. Heat
    4. The Insider
    5. The Keep
    6. The Last of the Mohicans
    7. Collateral
    8. Public Enemies
    9. Blackhat

    I'd say only PE and Blackhat are on the negative scale.

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    I saw a scene from Public Enemies recently and my reaction was the same as back in 2009 - the time period and the digital cinematography look awful together. It's like a TV with auto sports motion or whatever it's called.

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    I still have 4 left to view from Mann, but here's my list so far:

    Heat
    Thief
    Manhunter
    Collateral
    Public Enemies
    The Last of the Mohicans
    Miami Vice

    I dig or love all of these.
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    Collateral flirted with banality, like the detour to the hospital.

    I liked it, but really not in the same ballpark as Heat for instance.

    I would like to see Thief.

    The Keep wasn't great, but still oddly memorable.
    MOVIES

    [+] closer to next rating / [-] closer to previous rating

    • Son of Saul (Nemes, 2015) ✦✦✦ [+]
    • Cast Away (Zemeckis, 2000) ✦✦✦✦ -- rewatch
    • Hudson Hawk (Lehmann, 1991) [+]
    • Extraction (Hargrave, 2020) ✦✦½ [-]
    • Underwater (Eubank, 2020) ✦✦✦ [-]
    • Leviathan (Cosmatos, 1989) ✦✦ [-] -- rewatch
    • The Remains of the Day (Ivory, 1993) ✦✦✦½ [-]
    • The Call of the Wild (Sanders, 2020) ✦✦ [+]
    • Saving Mr. Banks (Hancock, 2013) ✦✦½ [-]
    • The Princess Bride (Reiner, 1987) ✦✦ [+]
    • Hunt for the Wilderpeople (Waititi, 2016) ✦✦✦ [+]
    • The Invisible Man (Whannell, 2020) ✦✦✦✦

    TV

    • Ozark (S3) ✦✦✦✦ / Ozark (S2) ✦✦✦½ [-] / Homeland (S8) ✦✦✦✦
    • Ozark (S1) ✦✦✦½ [-] / Killing Eve (S3) ✦✦ [+] / Orange is the New Black (S7) ✦✦✦ [-]

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    LAST THINGS BOUGHT

    • Come and See (Klimov, 1985) -- Blu-Ray / Criterion
    • Patriot Games / Clear and Present Danger (Noyce, 1992/1994) -- 4K Ultra HD / Paramount Pictures
    • E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (Spielberg, 1982) -- 4K Ultra HD / Universal Studios
    • Schindler's List (Spielberg, 1993) -- 4K Ultra HD / Universal Studios
    • Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) -- 4K Ultra HD / Paramount Pictures


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    Quote Quoting Morris Schæffer (view post)
    Collateral flirted with banality, like the detour to the hospital.
    Well for me, that relatively slice-of-life scene in Collateral works on a number of levels; for one, it works because it is a detour from the main plot, because the movie has to be more than just Vincent forcing Max to drive him to his next target with a gun to his head. With a Thriller as otherwise compact and relentless tense as Collateral, you need the occasional break in the tension to allow for enough of an ebb-and-flow in the storytelling to prevent it from becoming repetitive, and the visit to the hospital accomplishes exactly that (besides, it occurs at a perfectly sensible point roughly halfway into the film; it's not like it happens inbetween the Club Fever shootout and the final chase in the 3rd act, and slows the film's momentum down at that point). A few minutes break from the rest of the Thriller-y shenanigans didn't hurt anything, as far as I'm concerned. Besides that, it's also a nicely, darkly comedic scene, with the obvious humor of the mother being charmed by a hitman threatening her son's life (resulting in that all-time ironic line "You'd have to hold a gun to his head to make him do anything"), and it's also necessary for "filling in" the characters, as the mother's undermining comments about Max help provide some background as to why he has so little confidence in anything else he does, and the scene also comes back into play in the plot later, after [
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    So, yeah... I think that scene's fine the way it is.

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    Collateral is good, but I can never really love it because Cruise's character is the most incompetent hitman ever, yet the film seems to believe that he is some, cool, consummate professional.
    Last 10 Movies Seen
    (90+ = canonical, 80-89 = brilliant, 70-79 = strongly recommended, 60-69 = good, 50-59 = mixed, 40-49 = below average with some good points, 30-39 = poor, 20-29 = bad, 10-19 = terrible, 0-9 = soul-crushingly inept in every way)

    El
    (1973) 70
    The Day After
    (1983
    ) 63
    Duck, You Sucker (1971) 68
    Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) 71
    Noriko’s Dinner Party
    (2005) 61
    The Third Murder (2017) 56

    /Audition
    (1999) 85

    /Toy Story
    (1995) 65
    Vice (2018) 57
    The Counterfeit Traitor (1962) 62

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    I found the making-of for Collateral really interesting, particularly Tom Cruise's prep work for the role.

    It was the first time I was made aware of just how dedicated he is to every project he works on. The guy is a freaking loon, but I wish I had even half the work ethic and passion that guy has.

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    1. Collateral
    2. Heat
    3. Thief
    4. The Insider
    5. Blackhat
    6. The Last of the Mohicans
    7. Manhunter
    8. Public Enemies
    9. Ali
    10. Miami Vice
    Midnight Run (1988) - 9
    The Smiling Lieutenant (1931) - 8.5
    The Adventures of Robinhood (1938) - 8
    Sisters (1973) - 6.5
    Shin Godzilla (2016) - 7.5

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    Manhunter and Red Dragon each have bits that they do better than the other.

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    I want to watch Thief so bad. I love Tangerine Dream.
    Last Five Films I've Seen (Out of 5)

    Lone Wolf and Cub: Baby Cart At The River Styx (Misumi, 1972) 4.5
    The Turin Horse (Tarr, 2011) 4.5
    Ginger Snaps (Fawcett, 2000) 4
    Hamilton (Kail, 2020) 4.5
    Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice (Mazursky, 1969) 4.5
    Tetsuo: The Iron Man (Tsukamoto, 1989) WTF
    The Wolf Man (Waggner, 1941) 4
    The Exterminating Angel (Buñuel, 1962) 4.5
    Maniac (Lustig, 1980) 4.5
    Friday The 13th Part V: A New Beginning (Steinmann, 1985) 2
    Friday The 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan (Hedden, 1989) 3
    Friday The 13th Part VII: The New Blood (Buechler, 1988) 4
    Lone Wolf and Cub: Sword of Vengeance (Misumi, 1972) 4.5

    The last movie I saw in a theater before the apocalypse was Cats.

    Let that sink in.

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    Quote Quoting Ivan Drago (view post)
    I want to watch Thief so bad. I love Tangerine Dream.
    Folks it's on Criterion and the sale is going on now. I own it.
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    Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is dated and almost cliché now, but you can still see how it would have been fresh ang original at the time of its release.

    Some decent comedic bits and sharp dialogue make up for some very sloppy technicals even given the budget.

    Not much of a Ritchie fan, but glad I finally saw the movie that put him on the map.

    Think I prefer Snatch.

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    I love Lock Stock. Not saying it's perfect or anything but damn does it make me laugh.

    Left foot right foot, the body will follow, they calls it walkin'!

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    Quote Quoting DFA1979 (view post)
    Folks it's on Criterion and the sale is going on now. I own it.
    I like watching movies before buying them.
    Last Five Films I've Seen (Out of 5)

    Lone Wolf and Cub: Baby Cart At The River Styx (Misumi, 1972) 4.5
    The Turin Horse (Tarr, 2011) 4.5
    Ginger Snaps (Fawcett, 2000) 4
    Hamilton (Kail, 2020) 4.5
    Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice (Mazursky, 1969) 4.5
    Tetsuo: The Iron Man (Tsukamoto, 1989) WTF
    The Wolf Man (Waggner, 1941) 4
    The Exterminating Angel (Buñuel, 1962) 4.5
    Maniac (Lustig, 1980) 4.5
    Friday The 13th Part V: A New Beginning (Steinmann, 1985) 2
    Friday The 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan (Hedden, 1989) 3
    Friday The 13th Part VII: The New Blood (Buechler, 1988) 4
    Lone Wolf and Cub: Sword of Vengeance (Misumi, 1972) 4.5

    The last movie I saw in a theater before the apocalypse was Cats.

    Let that sink in.

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    Quote Quoting Ivan Drago (view post)
    I like watching movies before buying them.
    I do blind buys a lot. Mostly with Criterions.
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    And as he lay there
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    He felt his choice of jobs
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    He could have been a doctor
    In a soft easy chair
    Instead he chose three stars
    A territorial affair

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is dated and almost cliché now, but you can still see how it would have been fresh ang original at the time of its release.

    Some decent comedic bits and sharp dialogue make up for some very sloppy technicals even given the budget.

    Not much of a Ritchie fan, but glad I finally saw the movie that put him on the map.

    Think I prefer Snatch.
    I dig both those movies but yeah Snatch is better. Brad Pitt is fantastic at comedy.
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    And as he lay there
    Playing games with his pain
    He felt his choice of jobs
    Was such a mistake
    He could have been a doctor
    In a soft easy chair
    Instead he chose three stars
    A territorial affair

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    Quote Quoting DFA1979 (view post)
    I do blind buys a lot. Mostly with Criterions.
    Same with me.

    I live in the boonies on terrible internet. Streaming services are not a luxury I get to indulge in often.

    I buy anything I want to see.

    I have 9 movies on their way to me right now!

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Same with me.

    I live in the boonies on terrible internet. Streaming services are not a luxury I get to indulge in often.

    I buy anything I want to see.

    I have 9 movies on their way to me right now!
    I have streaming and Internet but sometimes it's nice to own a movie. I don't have to worry about if it leaves a service or having to sign up for one to watch it. It's mine. What movies did you get?
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    And as he lay there
    Playing games with his pain
    He felt his choice of jobs
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    He could have been a doctor
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    Instead he chose three stars
    A territorial affair

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    Her was pretty good, maybe even almost great. But I couldn't fully get into that movie. I was left a bit creeped out by the whole love plot with an operating system. Is that going to happen more and more if AI becomes self aware and intelligent? Maybe I just don't trust technology to benefit mankind and not enslave us in the end. One could make the argument we already slaves to technology anyways.
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    Instead he chose three stars
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    Quote Quoting DFA1979 (view post)
    I have streaming and Internet but sometimes it's nice to own a movie. I don't have to worry about if it leaves a service or having to sign up for one to watch it. It's mine. What movies did you get?
    Mostly garbage, a few gems...

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