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    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    Okay, but I don't understand the general concept of you thinking that if we don't personally watch the films ourselves, we can't complain about them being taken away from others, that's all. Seems like an odd way of looking at things (if it doesn't personally affect you, then it is "faux outrage" and thus... not genuine? Dismissable? I don't know. That's what I wanted to clarify.). Anyway.....
    Because I thought those others were just upset at not being able to see it in theaters, rather than *checks Just Watch* Amazon, google, Apple, Youtube, Fandango Now, Playstation, VuDU, Microsoft, Redbox and whatever fuboTV is.

    And here we are, on the internet, upset that this poor cinephiles, can't watch it on the big screen. (if that was the only reason). If that WAS the only reason, doesn't that feel a bit sad?
    There's a lot of millennial complaints I dismiss that doesn't impact me personally. We are supposed to fight for everything everywhere all the time? Apparently, millennials don't like cereal because they have to clean up after they are done eating. We should campaign on the streets for a cereal box that throws itself away when you are done eating it.
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    Uwe Boll movies > all Marvel U movies
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why haven’t entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    Because I thought those others were just upset at not being able to see it in theaters, rather than *checks Just Watch* Amazon, google, Apple, Youtube, Fandango Now, Playstation, VuDU, Microsoft, Redbox and whatever fuboTV is.
    And do you really think those all those films will still be available once Disney+ goes live? Or will Disney let their contracts expire and keep everything exclusive to their service?

    What if they did the same with DVDs and Blus? What if they introduced an artificial scarcity into Disney+ and only allowed access to certain films during narrow windows, a few times a year?

    Would you be so blase then?

    Vendor lock-in and platform exclusives are bad for everybody.

    But you already know this, just like you're aware that seeing a movie projected, with an audience, is often a different experience than watching it a home, and a lot of folks place a high value on one experience over the other.

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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    And do you really think those all those films will still be available once Disney+ goes live? Or will Disney let their contracts expire and keep everything exclusive to their service?

    What if they did the same with DVDs and Blus? What if they introduced an artificial scarcity into Disney+ and only allowed access to certain films during narrow windows, a few times a year?

    Would you be so blase then?

    Vendor lock-in and platform exclusives are bad for everybody.

    But you already know this, just like you're aware that seeing a movie projected, with an audience, is often a different experience than watching it a home, and a lot of folks place a high value on one experience over the other.
    If they do move to Disney+ just add it to the list. No different paying $3.99 on Amazon than paying $3.99 for Disney. And none of those other things have happened and I try not to live in a world of hypotheticals.

    And yeh, seeing a movie projected with an audience sucks these days.
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    Uwe Boll movies > all Marvel U movies
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why haven’t entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    If they do move to Disney+ just add it to the list. No different paying $3.99 on Amazon than paying $3.99 for Disney. And none of those other things have happened and I try not to live in a world of hypotheticals.
    Disney has done, at one time or another, everything I described with their own original properties. Why wouldn't they do the same with Fox?

    You're assuming that something like "Alien" will be available to rent (and at the same price). But why would it be? Subscriptions are a lot more lucrative than one-off rentals.

    Most of this stuff is now in a "Roma" sort of category --- you can't see the movie projected on screen and it's also locked to a single vendor's platform, which also means you can't rent or own a copy, either.

    Saying you don't deal in hypotheticals is a weak defense here, dude. I mean, c'mon. Half this website is people talking about hypotheticals.

    And yeh, seeing a movie projected with an audience sucks these days.
    At chain theaters, yeah. But at rep houses, not in my experience.

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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    Saying you don't deal in hypotheticals is a weak defense here, dude. I mean, c'mon. Half this website is people talking about hypotheticals.
    I just mean these things you listed haven't happened yet and I'm not going to get all bent out of shape for something that hasn't and maybe won't happen.

    And no, I dont think they will do this with the FOX properties. They lock stuff behind their Disney brand vault for a reason but it doesn't make any sense to do this to the FOX stuff.

    I can still buy/rent/stream Avengers movies on Amazon and that has been owned by Disney since day 1. Shouldn't they be pulling these things off the shelves?

    https://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Studio...2027464&sr=8-4

    same with Pixar

    https://www.amazon.com/Toy-Story-Tim...2027577&sr=8-1

    same with Walt Disney Pictures

    https://www.amazon.com/Moana-Theatri...2027598&sr=8-1
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    Quote Quoting D_Davis (view post)
    Uwe Boll movies > all Marvel U movies
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why haven’t entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    IThey lock stuff behind their Disney brand vault for a reason but it doesn't make any sense to do this to the FOX stuff.
    Yeah. Unfortunately, marketers don't think that way. If something worked for them before, they'll likely try it again.

    I can still buy/rent/stream Avengers movies on Amazon and that has been owned by Disney since day 1. Shouldn't they be pulling these things off the shelves?
    They weren't competing directly with Amazon before. Now they are.

    Exclusives are the only value these platforms have. Maintaining Disney properties on Amazon would undermine Disney+ and Hulu. Why would they do that?

    ETA: And they're about to pull their shit off Netflix, whose licensing deal with Disney expires at the end of this year. So all those Pixar and LucasFilm movies will be gone by mid-2020 at the latest.
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    Duke aren’t you the same age as me?

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    ETA: And they're about to pull their shit off Netflix, whose licensing deal with Disney expires at the end of this year. So all those Pixar and LucasFilm movies will be gone by mid-2020 at the latest.
    Everything but the Netflix shows.

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    Duke aren’t you the same age as me?
    I dunno are we the same age? You have me blocked on Facebook.
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    Quote Quoting D_Davis (view post)
    Uwe Boll movies > all Marvel U movies
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why haven’t entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    Everything but the Netflix shows.
    aka "everything we've been talking about"

    Not sure I understand your point?

    There's a reason why Netflix shitcanned their Marvel shows in the same year ...

    Man, this whole conversation is bumming me out now

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    I was agreeing with you. More like continuing your ETA statement.
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    Quote Quoting D_Davis (view post)
    Uwe Boll movies > all Marvel U movies
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why haven’t entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    Everything but the Netflix shows.



    I dunno are we the same age? You have me blocked on Facebook.
    No I don’t. I don’t have Facebook. I sent you a message on messenger months back and you never replied.

    I was born in 87.

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    No I don’t. I don’t have Facebook. I sent you a message on messenger months back and you never replied.

    I was born in 87.
    84 Here. And I just went in and looked- apparently there are two headers on top of the messages place on FB. One that says "recent" and one that says "message requests". I had 37 message requests that I never knew existed, from people I had no idea were trying to contact me. Facebook is weird man.
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    Quote Quoting D_Davis (view post)
    Uwe Boll movies > all Marvel U movies
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why haven’t entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    84 Here. And I just went in and looked- apparently there are two headers on top of the messages place on FB. One that says "recent" and one that says "message requests". I had 37 message requests that I never knew existed, from people I had no idea were trying to contact me. Facebook is weird man.
    Yeah, I hate that about fb. I've seriously gone years before realizing people were trying to contact me, and they probably thought I had just blown them off. You'd think they'd notify you of that. I mean hell, they notify you about every single damn thing else you couldn't give a crap less about. >.>

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    84 Here. And I just went in and looked- apparently there are two headers on top of the messages place on FB. One that says "recent" and one that says "message requests". I had 37 message requests that I never knew existed, from people I had no idea were trying to contact me. Facebook is weird man.
    Ah, well my point was just that you are a millennial

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Ah, well my point was just that you are a millennial
    I denounce millennial and classify myself as generation x.
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    Uwe Boll movies > all Marvel U movies
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    I work in grocery. I have not gotten sick. My fellow employees have not gotten sick. If the virus were even remotely as contagious as its being presented as, why haven’t entire store staffs who come into contact with hundreds of people per day, thousands per week, all falling ill in mass nationwide?

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    Because I thought those others were just upset at not being able to see it in theaters, rather than *checks Just Watch* Amazon, google, Apple, Youtube, Fandango Now, Playstation, VuDU, Microsoft, Redbox and whatever fuboTV is.

    And here we are, on the internet, upset that this poor cinephiles, can't watch it on the big screen. (if that was the only reason). If that WAS the only reason, doesn't that feel a bit sad?
    There's a lot of millennial complaints I dismiss that doesn't impact me personally. We are supposed to fight for everything everywhere all the time? Apparently, millennials don't like cereal because they have to clean up after they are done eating. We should campaign on the streets for a cereal box that throws itself away when you are done eating it.
    Yeah, as I thought, it wasn't an argument that made any sense. Moving on....
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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    I denounce millennial and classify myself as generation x.
    I'm gonna need a birth year before I allow you in my club.

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    I'm gonna need a birth year before I allow you in my club.
    Think he said '84. Not even on the cusp.

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    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    Think he said '84. Not even on the cusp.
    If so, DENIED.

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    I denounce millennial and classify myself as generation x.
    How millennial of you.

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    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    Think he said '84. Not even on the cusp.
    Definition of Gen X is early 80s. I qualify,

    Plus they never would have made those pepsi generation x commercials advertising directly to me in the 90s.
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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    Definition of Gen X is early 80s. I qualify,

    Plus they never would have made those pepsi generation x commercials advertising directly to me in the 90s.
    You and I are 83-84. We can accept Xenniels or even Oregon Trail Generation... but not in the same club as those damn slackers.

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