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  1. #68526
    Whatever it is that Scorsese said, it doesn't really matter, because there's nothing you can say about comic book films that you can't say about his endless crime films and hyper-masculine films. OMG MUCH EMOTION! Please. Crime media is so cheap and easy and uninteresting, and he does the same thing over and over. Maybe if he didn't spend so much time making such silly films his other films wouldn't be so completely out of touch with human life, as well. Oh, wait - Taxi Driver, The King of Comedy, Aviator, Bringing Out the Dead, Shutter Island - he's so in touch with real human emotions! Or - maybe:

    The man has only one look for Christ's sake! Blue Steel? Ferrari? Le Tigre? They're the same face! Doesn't anybody notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
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  2. #68527
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    Whatever it is that Scorsese said, it doesn't really matter, because there's nothing you can say about comic book films that you can't say about his endless crime films and hyper-masculine films. OMG MUCH EMOTION! Please. Crime media is so cheap and easy and uninteresting, and he does the same thing over and over.
    When you have to ignore a good portion of the man's filmography to make a point (New York, New York, After Hours, The King of Comedy, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Age of Innocence, Kundun, Silence...) it may well be that your point is kind of silly.
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    Whatever it is that Scorsese said, it doesn't really matter, because there's nothing you can say about comic book films that you can't say about his endless crime films and hyper-masculine films. OMG MUCH EMOTION! Please. Crime media is so cheap and easy and uninteresting, and he does the same thing over and over. Maybe if he didn't spend so much time making such silly films his other films wouldn't be so completely out of touch with human life, as well. Oh, wait - Taxi Driver, The King of Comedy, Aviator, Bringing Out the Dead, Shutter Island - he's so in touch with real human emotions! Or - maybe:

    The man has only one look for Christ's sake! Blue Steel? Ferrari? Le Tigre? They're the same face! Doesn't anybody notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
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    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    When you have to ignore a good portion of the man's filmography to make a point (New York, New York, After Hours, The King of Comedy, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Age of Innocence, Kundun, Silence...) it may well be that your point is kind of silly.
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    Quote Quoting PURPLE (view post)
    Whatever it is that Scorsese said, it doesn't really matter, because there's nothing you can say about comic book films that you can't say about his endless crime films and hyper-masculine films. OMG MUCH EMOTION! Please. Crime media is so cheap and easy and uninteresting, and he does the same thing over and over. Maybe if he didn't spend so much time making such silly films his other films wouldn't be so completely out of touch with human life, as well. Oh, wait - Taxi Driver, The King of Comedy, Aviator, Bringing Out the Dead, Shutter Island - he's so in touch with real human emotions! Or - maybe:

    The man has only one look for Christ's sake! Blue Steel? Ferrari? Le Tigre? They're the same face! Doesn't anybody notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
    You might be confusing Scorsese with Guy Ritchie. Scorsese grew up in a mob-heavy neighborhood and with Mean Streets or Goodfellas he's talking about stuff he lived at least close enough to witness. If you listen to interviews with him he often points out specific scenes that were inspired by those early experiences.

    There is only one example of Scorsese sort of making the same movie again, and that's the Goodfellas and Casino double-whammy, and that's just because the idea for making the latter originated while they were writing the former with Nicholas Pileggi, and they share the same kind of rythm, some of the cast and the quasi-documentary approach to the real story. I don't even have to list examples of the variety of different films he has made because you already did that for me on your own post. Also, the accusation that he doesn't care about his female characters is old and stale and implies that the person making it hasn't seen Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore.

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    The Last Temptation of Christ is the ultimate superhero film. #stolenjoke
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    What Marty said is irrelevant. We must stand up for ourselves! In the same way that most filmmakers scoff at critics, we (for the most part, aside from a few here that are in fact filmmakers, fall into the category of "critics", professional or not) shouldn't care what he thinks. Sorry not sorry but whether its Scorese or Uwe Boll, when you shit all over critics, you dont get expect us to value your criticism.

    I dont mean this as a negative on them. Have your opinion. I have no fucks. It impacts neither my opinion of the movies your criticizing or the films you make/making.

  8. #68533
    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    There is only one example of Scorsese sort of making the same movie again, and that's the Goodfellas and Casino double-whammy, and that's just because the idea for making the latter originated while they were writing the former with Nicholas Pileggi, and they share the same kind of rythm, some of the cast and the quasi-documentary approach to the real story.
    All the same, the end result is pretty stale, a somewhat ungainly hybrid of Scorsese's greatest hits (Pesci's psycho mobster from Goodfellas, DeNiro's disintegrating marriage to a morally dubious blonde bombshell from Raging Bull) and assorted spare parts from the French New Wave (the theme music from Godard's Le Mépris, Truffaut-esque iris effects). It's slick and entertaining but far from peak Scorsese.
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    Quote Quoting Skitch (view post)
    What Marty said is irrelevant. We must stand up for ourselves! In the same way that most filmmakers scoff at critics, we (for the most part, aside from a few here that are in fact filmmakers, fall into the category of "critics", professional or not) shouldn't care what he thinks. Sorry not sorry but whether its Scorese or Uwe Boll, when you shit all over critics, you dont get expect us to value your criticism.

    I dont mean this as a negative on them. Have your opinion. I have no fucks. It impacts neither my opinion of the movies your criticizing or the films you make/making.
    Okay, but what's the case for the MCU films?
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  10. #68535
    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    All the same, the end result is pretty stale, a somewhat ungainly hybrid of Scorsese's greatest hits (Pesci's psycho mobster from Goodfellas, DeNiro's disintegrating marriage to a morally dubious blonde bombshell from Raging Bull) and assorted spare parts from the French New Wave (the theme music from Godard's Le Mépris, Truffaut-esque iris effects). It's slick and entertaining but far from peak Scorsese.
    Casino is better than GoodFellas, IMO. Does a better job of contrasting surface flash with the unsavory backend.
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    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    "A film is not what it is about, but how it is about it. A good film or a bad film can be made about anything. Therefore, to dismiss (or praise) a film solely because of its subject matter, it is not necessary to see it. That is why people who make statements beginning with the words 'I don't like films about...' are idiots, or censors."
    —Roger Ebert
    lol I laughed when I saw Ebert at the bottom.

    It's funny that Ebert's quote contradicts Scorsese's blind dislike of comic book films that he also claims to not watch LOLOLOLOLOL
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  12. #68537
    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    You might be confusing Scorsese with Guy Ritchie. Scorsese grew up in a mob-heavy neighborhood and with Mean Streets or Goodfellas he's talking about stuff he lived at least close enough to witness. If you listen to interviews with him he often points out specific scenes that were inspired by those early experiences.
    lol yeah and Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house, so she is the next Sokurov. You might be confusing Scorsese with... someone who didn't major in English at university.
    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    There is only one example of Scorsese sort of making the same movie again, and that's the Goodfellas and Casino double-whammy, and that's just because the idea for making the latter originated while they were writing the former with Nicholas Pileggi, and they share the same kind of rythm, some of the cast and the quasi-documentary approach to the real story. I don't even have to list examples of the variety of different films he has made because you already did that for me on your own post. Also, the accusation that he doesn't care about his female characters is old and stale and implies that the person making it hasn't seen Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore.
    Scorsese does quasi-documentary in the same way Keeping Up With the Kardashians does. I also never said whatever you said that I said, and I don't really care that he made one film about a woman. He's made a lot of films. A lot.

    Or is Scorsese often confused for Kelly Reichardt? I don't understand.

    I still stand by the statement that I am not very impressed by the many Scorsese films I have seen. Because it can't really be any other way, since that's the way it is.
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  13. #68538
    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    Okay, but what's the case for the MCU films?
    They're all different, so there is no case except to discuss each one that any person might find worth making a case for. That's kind of the point of Scorsese's quote being stupid, no?

    I did one for one of the few that I watched!

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    Quote Quoting PURPLE (view post)
    I still stand by the statement that I am not very impressed by the many Scorsese films I have seen. Because it can't really be any other way, since that's the way it is.
    Yeah, there's no accounting for taste. Yours is shitty, but it's all yours.

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    They're all different, so there is no case except to discuss each one that any person might find worth making a case for. That's kind of the point of Scorsese's quote being stupid, no?
    Heh, no, actually, most MCU films follow roughly the same formula. Hell, I like them, but they found out what worked and stuck with that but for a few exceptions.
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    Quote Quoting PURPLE (view post)
    lol I laughed when I saw Ebert at the bottom.

    It's funny that Ebert's quote contradicts Scorsese's blind dislike of comic book films that he also claims to not watch LOLOLOLOLOL
    Except, of course, that Scorsese didn't criticize comic book films generally, only Marvel comic book films (as I mentioned earlier in this thread, he did sign on to produce Joker), and he wasn't criticizing them for their subject matter but for privileging sensation over emotion.
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  16. #68541
    I realize that taste is subjective, but holding the opinion that all Scorsese films are the same at the same time as believing that all MCU movies are different is as close to objectively wrong as you could possibly be when analyzing a finished film. It's pretty impressive, actually.
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    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    I realize that taste is subjective, but holding the opinion that all Scorsese films are the same at the same time as believing that all MCU movies are different is as close to objectively wrong as you could possibly be when analyzing a finished film. It's pretty impressive, actually.
    I wouldn't say that. As is often the case on social media, the real intent of Purple's posts is to construct an online identity (rather than arguing the merits of any film), and his/her only means of doing so is to insult other people's online identities (e.g., Scorsese and his fans). Only he/she is really bad at this, and in trying to slag Scorsese for things he never said, Purple only makes himself/herself look foolish.
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    I wouldn't say that. As is often the case on social media, the real intent of Purple's posts is to construct an online identity (rather than arguing the merits of any film), and his/her only means of doing so is to insult other people's online identities (e.g., Scorsese and his fans). Only he/she is really bad at this, and in trying to slag Scorsese for things he never said, Purple only makes himself/herself look foolish.
    lol I never said anything about Scorsese fans. What a silly person you are.

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    lol I never said anything about Scorsese fans. What a silly person you are.
    I rest my case.
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    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    Yeah, there's no accounting for taste. Yours is shitty, but it's all yours.
    lol what is this supposed to even mean? You don't know my tastes, and why would I care what you thought of them? So strange!
    Quote Quoting Grouchy (view post)
    Heh, no, actually, most MCU films follow roughly the same formula. Hell, I like them, but they found out what worked and stuck with that but for a few exceptions.
    Sure, right, generalities, they're all narrative conflict based cinema, same as all Scorsese films. The third Thor film is a parody of the first two, though, which doesn't really fit the idea that they're all the same or that they follow a formula or that they're a homogenous set.

    Now, granted, I watch few of them because I don't watch much Hollywood narrative conflict based cinema, but as far as that goes, I'll take them over Scorsese awful shit like (insert most of the Scorsese shit I've seen). Except The Depahhhhted because OMG EMOTIONS! SO MUCH ORIGINAL!

  21. #68546
    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    I rest my case.
    If only you would stop replying to my posts lol do you actually think I take anything you say seriously after the nonsense "debate" we had before?

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    Quote Quoting PURPLE (view post)
    If only you would stop replying to my posts lol do you actually think I take anything you say seriously after the nonsense "debate" we had before?
    Subtext: "I care very much what you and Grouchy think, but because I'm feeling cornered in this argument, I need to shut down the conversation quickly by dismissing you both, as if there were no point in discussing this topic with you guys even though I've been discussing this topic with you for hours."
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    Quote Quoting PURPLE (view post)
    lol what is this supposed to even mean? You don't know my tastes, and why would I care what you thought of them? So strange!
    Sure, right, generalities, they're all narrative conflict based cinema, same as all Scorsese films. The third Thor film is a parody of the first two, though, which doesn't really fit the idea that they're all the same or that they follow a formula or that they're a homogenous set.

    Now, granted, I watch few of them because I don't watch much Hollywood narrative conflict based cinema, but as far as that goes, I'll take them over Scorsese awful shit like (insert most of the Scorsese shit I've seen). Except The Depahhhhted because OMG EMOTIONS! SO MUCH ORIGINAL!
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    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    I realize that taste is subjective, but holding the opinion that all Scorsese films are the same at the same time as believing that all MCU movies are different is as close to objectively wrong as you could possibly be when analyzing a finished film. It's pretty impressive, actually.
    Dude. Casino and Goodfellas are the same film.

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    Dude. Casino and Goodfellas are the same film.
    Um, he's saying all Scorsese films are the same. Unless Scorsese has made just two films, I don't know what you're getting at.
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