28 Film Discussion Threads Later

**Dukefrukem** · 08-10-2018, 03:01 PM

Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)

I'm re-watching the Mission Impossible franchise before seeing the new movie. The writers really don't stray too far away from the overall formula. So far, all three first movies involve terrible IMF employees.

Mission Impossible- Espionage thriller about a mole trying to sell information on the black market

Mission Impossible-II Action thriller about a former IMF Agent trying to sell a biological virus to a legit organization

Mission Impossible III - Wanna-be James Bond trying to stop a mole helping an arms dealer from selling a MacGuffin on the black market.

Mission Possible IV- Action comedy thriller about Swedish-born Russian trying to start a nuclear war between the US and Russia. WHY??? Who knows.

Mission Impossible V- Action thriller about trying to stop former British intelligence agents, who start civil wars, bankrupt companies and assassinate CEOs for fun. Oh wait, ""Killing to bring about change" Yeh that.

**Dukefrukem** · 08-10-2018, 05:18 PM

It's Friday- I've been working on some fun lists while organizing my ratings- feel free to comment and add suggestions. If a film is on the list, but at the end without being watched or rated, it's something I need to revisit) Looking for movies that I'm totally omitting, but also may add to some fun discussion.

All Post-Apocalypse Movies Ranked (Incomplete)

All Espionage Films Ranked (Incomplete)

All Zombie Movies Ranked (Incomplete)

The Best Ghost Movies (Incomplete)

All Alien Invasion Films Ranked (Incomplete)

All Slasher Movies Ranked (Incomplete)

Creepiest Cult Movies (Deprogramming)

The Top Comic Book Movies (The only comic book movies worth watching)

Most Remarkable Debuts

**Grouchy** · 08-10-2018, 05:33 PM

Dude... You got Frantic as #40 of 1-40 espionage movies you've seen. You've got clearly bad stuff like Wanted and Mr. and Mrs. Smith ranked above.

Also, I'm aware it would completely take over the list, but it feels weird without 007 movies.

**Dukefrukem** · 08-10-2018, 05:49 PM

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Dude... You got Frantic as #40 of 1-40 espionage movies you've seen. You've got clearly bad stuff like Wanted and Mr. and Mrs. Smith ranked above.

Also, I'm aware it would completely take over the list, but it feels weird without 007 movies.

*cough* "If a film is on the list, but at the end without being watched or rated, it's something I need to revisit"

And I agree about 007, I'm going to Marathon the Bond Franchise with the wife and add them.

**Grouchy** · 08-10-2018, 06:07 PM

My bad.

**Skitch** · 08-10-2018, 07:51 PM

Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)

Mission Possible IV- Action comedy thriller about Swedish-born Russian trying to start a nuclear war between the US and Russia. WHY??? Who knows.

Because hes an anarchist that works for Lane and the Syndicate.

**Dukefrukem** · 08-10-2018, 08:04 PM

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Because hes an anarchist that works for Lane and the Syndicate.

That's not a reason.

**Skitch** · 08-10-2018, 08:18 PM

You're not a reason.

**Grouchy** · 08-10-2018, 08:21 PM

One of the things that confounds me about this franchise is that the missions never actually turn out to be impossible.

**Ezee E** · 08-10-2018, 09:41 PM

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One of the things that confounds me about this franchise is that the missions never actually turn out to be impossible.

Win.

**Skitch** · 08-10-2018, 09:48 PM

Well they did fail every mission in part 4, except for a lucky punchout in the carpark.

**Dead & Messed Up** · 08-10-2018, 09:58 PM

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You're not a reason.

Got him!

**Yxklyx** · 08-12-2018, 02:09 AM

It's been a while since I haven't been able to watch through a movie. This time it was Casino Royale. After about 30 minutes I lost all interest. The problem is that there's no story - just action scene after action scene, plus a dull violent main character.

**Dukefrukem** · 08-12-2018, 02:14 AM

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It's been a while since I haven't been able to watch through a movie. This time it was Casino Royale. After about 30 minutes I lost all interest. The problem is that there's no story - just action scene after action scene, plus a dull violent main character.

That's probably my favorite Bond film.

**baby doll** · 08-12-2018, 05:07 AM

I've never seen a James Bond film that wasn't mediocre.

**Yxklyx** · 08-13-2018, 03:04 PM

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I've never seen a James Bond film that wasn't mediocre.

They have their moments, like the underwater battle in Thunderball.

**Dead & Messed Up** · 08-19-2018, 08:54 PM

For reasons, I, a 35-year-old, watched Transformers: The Movie for the first time today, and it was terrible, and I apologize for stepping on anyone's nostalgia. But it was incoherent, loud, meaningless jackassery that in some ways is exactly the model Michael Bay followed.

**Dukefrukem** · 08-19-2018, 10:45 PM

Welcome to the party pal.

**baby doll** · 08-19-2018, 11:52 PM

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For reasons, I, a 35-year-old, watched Transformers: The Movie for the first time today, and it was terrible, and I apologize for stepping on anyone's nostalgia. But it was incoherent, loud, meaningless jackassery that in some ways is exactly the model Michael Bay followed.

Given the choice, I'd much rather re-watch Michael Bay's best movie (Pain and Gain) than Christopher Nolan's (Memento).

**Skitch** · 08-20-2018, 12:47 AM

Quoting Dead & Messed Up (view post)

For reasons, I, a 35-year-old, watched Transformers: The Movie for the first time today, and it was terrible, and I apologize for stepping on anyone's nostalgia. But it was incoherent, loud, meaningless jackassery that in some ways is exactly the model Michael Bay followed.

Right? Which is why Michael Bay doesn't quite deserve the hate for those films imo. He's replicated the source material fairly accurately.

**Skitch** · 08-20-2018, 12:48 AM

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Given the choice, I'd much rather re-watch Michael Bay's best movie (Pain and Gain) than Christopher Nolan's (Memento).

You're a strange fellow.

**baby doll** · 08-20-2018, 01:20 AM

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You're a strange fellow.

Has anybody made a serious case for Nolan as a filmmaker--or explained, for that matter, why Michael Bay's films are especially egregious compared to those of other contemporary blockbuster filmmakers (including Nolan's)? I know David Bordwell has argued that Nolan is an innovative filmmaker in that he's pursued some uncommon narrational strategies (e.g., cutting between backward- and forward-moving time frames in Memento and between multiple layers of fantasy in Inception), but as a writer and director of scenes and sequences, he doesn't seem to know what he's doing. His characters are boring stock figures, his dialogue is clunky, he has no flair for staging or constructing space through editing, and his action sequences are loud, murkily lit blurs. As far as I can tell, the only significant differences between Nolan's style and Bay's is that Nolan likes dark, noirish lighting and portentous scores designed to pound the listener into submission, whereas Bay likes garish colours and Aerosmith.

**Dukefrukem** · 08-20-2018, 02:20 AM

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Has anybody made a serious case for Nolan as a filmmaker--or explained, for that matter, why Michael Bay's films are especially egregious compared to those of other contemporary blockbuster filmmakers (including Nolan's)? I

Have you read any of the Michael Bay threads on this site? Particularly the Revenge of the Fallen one?

**baby doll** · 08-20-2018, 02:52 AM

Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)

Have you read any of the Michael Bay threads on this site? Particularly the Revenge of the Fallen one?

I have to admit that, not having seen any of the Transformers films, I hadn't bothered to look at the threads before, and the one for The Revenge of the Fallen is twenty-three pages long (that's the second one, right?), so I'm going to need some time to pour over your comments. So far I'm seeing a lot of moralistic jive about Michael Bay's reasons for making these films (which are irrelevant), and complaints about racist jokes and lame dialogue, but nothing so far about how Bay's style is fundamentally different from other practitioners of intensified continuity, aside from perhaps being even more incoherent than the norm.

**Ezee E** · 08-20-2018, 05:25 AM

What's the question or idea? That Bay and Nolan are essentially the same director with different types of narrative?

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