28 Film Discussion Threads Later

**Stay Puft** · 12-16-2013, 04:48 AM

Quoting Lucky (view post)

I don't see a thread for it, but Philomena is a slightly forgettable film buoyed by two winning lead performances. Had the film focused on their characters and less on the narrative, I believe it would have been stronger.

Here you go!
http://matchcut.artboiled.com/showth...tephen-Frears)

**Watashi** · 12-16-2013, 08:49 PM

Shia LaBeouf has directed a short film about online film critics.

**Qrazy** · 12-16-2013, 09:04 PM

Quoting Watashi (view post)

Shia LaBeouf has directed a short film about online film critics.

Vapid.

**Irish** · 12-16-2013, 10:53 PM

Holy shit, The Beef plagiarized the entire thing from Daniel Clowes.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakari...howard-cantour

**Qrazy** · 12-16-2013, 11:07 PM

Quoting Irish (view post)

Holy shit, The Beef plagiarized the entire thing from Daniel Clowes.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakari...howard-cantour

His version of understanding these critics is turning them into sexually ineffectual sad sacks.

**Watashi** · 12-16-2013, 11:10 PM

Aren't we all sexually ineffectual sad sacks?

**Watashi** · 12-16-2013, 11:11 PM

Haha. Wow. They took down the video and everything.

Shia is in some shit.

**Stay Puft** · 12-17-2013, 12:17 AM

The secret TIFF volunteer appreciation holiday screening is tomorrow! My fingers are crossed for the Coen bros joint. (But they didn't even drop any hints this year so I really have nothing to go on. Probably didn't want to drop any because they made it ridiculously obvious last year.)

**Stay Puft** · 12-17-2013, 12:59 AM

How many more examples until a clear pattern emerges?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...chiarella.html

Gotta love The Beef.

**Ezee E** · 12-17-2013, 01:02 AM

Video is still up. Jim Gaffigan stars. Watching it now.

**Ezee E** · 12-17-2013, 01:23 AM

And it sucks. What a waste of Jim Gaffigan.

**Grouchy** · 12-17-2013, 02:40 AM

Whenever I read about stuff like this, I wonder how the people involved thought they could get away with it. Daniel Clowes might be an indie artist and all, but he's not a complete unknown. He's alive, he has plenty of fans and even in the unlikely scenario that he doesn't use the internet, they do.

Couldn't he just contact Clowes to do an adaptation of his work? Does he not understand how plagiarism works?

**Ezee E** · 12-17-2013, 02:42 AM

But is Shia even trying to profit with this? I mean, it's a short.

**EyesWideOpen** · 12-17-2013, 03:32 AM

Quoting Ezee E (view post)

But is Shia even trying to profit with this? I mean, it's a short.

He showed it at Cannes so I'm assuming he was trying to get something out if it. If not a profit then cred.

**Dead & Messed Up** · 12-17-2013, 04:20 AM

Dial M for Murder

More like Dial Meh for Mehrder.

Kidding. Was really a whole mess of fun. Ray Milland was deliciously evil. The occasional 3D tricks were noticeable when they occurred, but not too distracting, and I'm at the point now where I see Hitch's shtick and am happy I still have new Hitchcock to see.

**Grouchy** · 12-17-2013, 04:56 AM

Quoting Ezee E (view post)

But is Shia even trying to profit with this? I mean, it's a short.

Does it really matter? The entire opening monologue and dialogue are written by someone not given on-screen credit.

The only way he can defend himself is if he says he's reading Borges lately and this was like Pierre Menard's version of Quixote.

**Irish** · 12-17-2013, 06:43 AM

Sleepy The Beef apologized. Sort of.

https://twitter.com/thecampaignbook/...35231788695552

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com...s/#more-173128

Fuck his respect. Beef needs to give Clowes money.

**Ezee E** · 12-17-2013, 06:45 AM

Quoting Grouchy (view post)

Does it really matter? The entire opening monologue and dialogue are written by someone not given on-screen credit.

The only way he can defend himself is if he says he's reading Borges lately and this was like Pierre Menard's version of Quixote.

If he did it with only intent of sending to film festivals, and doesn't receive any money out of it, I don't really see it being an issue. And to be honest, it's a disservices for Clowes to have his name on it anyway.

There's no money to give out of this.

**Irish** · 12-17-2013, 06:55 AM

Don't you hope to be in the industry one day? It's flat out theft of Clowes' work. No question. Plagiarism. He's guilty. Lawsuit. Ka-Ching!

Contrary to what the Internet believes, things don't stop being copyrighted just because you use them in a non-commercial context.

Edit: the context is arguable, too, since this short played at Cannes & garnered a lot of critical attention. If The Beef plans to direct features, I have no doubt his agent is using it to negotiate a quote.

**MadMan** · 12-17-2013, 06:57 AM

Quoting Dead & Messed Up (view post)

Dial M for Murder

More like Dial Meh for Mehrder.

Kidding. Was really a whole mess of fun. Ray Milland was deliciously evil. The occasional 3D tricks were noticeable when they occurred, but not too distracting, and I'm at the point now where I see Hitch's shtick and am happy I still have new Hitchcock to see.

That is the only Hitchcock I haven't liked so far. Its due for a rewatch though.

**Derek** · 12-17-2013, 07:04 AM

Quoting Irish (view post)

Don't you hope to be in the industry one day? It's flat out theft of Clowes' work. No question. Plagiarism. He's guilty. Lawsuit. Ka-Ching!

Contrary to what the Internet believes, things don't stop being copyrighted just because you use them in a non-commercial context.

I don't see what the big deal is. If he did it with only intent of sending to film festivals, and doesn't receive any money out of it, I don't really see it being an issue. And to be honest, it's a disservices for Clowes to have his name on it anyway.

**Irish** · 12-17-2013, 07:58 AM

Quoting Derek (view post)

I don't see what the big deal is. If he did it with only intent of sending to film festivals, and doesn't receive any money out of it, I don't really see it being an issue. And to be honest, it's a disservices for Clowes to have his name on it anyway.

Uh, because it wasn't The Beef's property to appropriate? Because The Beef received praise that wasn't due him? Because The Beef lifted someone else's work and used it to further his own career goals? Because The Beef has the resources to license Clowes' stuff legitmately and just didn't? That's the big deal. Jesus.

I'm surprised that anyone with creative aspirations would be so blasé about this type of theft.

Winston* · 12-17-2013, 08:15 AM

Quoting Irish (view post)

Uh, because it wasn't The Beef's property to appropriate? Because The Beef received praise that wasn't due him? Because The Beef lifted someone else's work and used it to further his own career goals? Because The Beef has the resources to license Clowes' stuff legitmately and just didn't? That's the big deal. Jesus.

I'm surprised that anyone with creative aspirations would be so blasé about this type of theft.

But is Shia even trying to profit with this? I mean, it's a short.

**Derek** · 12-17-2013, 09:12 AM

Quoting Irish (view post)

Uh, because it wasn't The Beef's property to appropriate? Because The Beef received praise that wasn't due him? Because The Beef lifted someone else's work and used it to further his own career goals? Because The Beef has the resources to license Clowes' stuff legitmately and just didn't? That's the big deal. Jesus.

I'm surprised that anyone with creative aspirations would be so blasé about this type of theft.

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**Derek** · 12-17-2013, 09:12 AM

Quoting Winston* (view post)

But is Shia even trying to profit with this? I mean, it's a short.

I'm surprised that anyone with creative aspirations would be so blasé about this type of theft.

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