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    Even though the famous Carol Reed directed The Third Man, this film since it stars Orson Welles and his fellow actor collaborator Joseph Cotton has the look and feel of a Welles film. After all this 1949 classic is film noir, made in black and white, and has scenes that have the Welles touch. Especially the amazing ferris wheel monologue, my favorite part of the film and one that so many people (myself included) have quoted over the years.

    The Third Man is film noir at its finest, perfectly shot and expertly directed, with a finale that I'm so glad was not changed to fit boring Hollywood happy ending conventions. In fact that last act is glorious, a fine example of why the film noir genre is one of my all time favorite sub-genres in film history. After all, life is not like the upbeat movies that you often seen shown on TV. The good guy does not always win, the bad may go unpunished, and love fails in painful fashion.

    Holly Martins is a writer of westerns, and he has come to Vienna to find out what has happened to Harry Lime, an old friend of his. Harry was indeed a scoundrel, but he was Holly's pal and Holly suspects murder and deceit. This leads of course to Holly becoming mixed up in events and matters he does not understand, and only too late does he realize the cold hard truth about Harry, life, and the nasty aftermath of World War II. Being awakened to the fact that Harry cares about no one is bad enough, but the authorities trying to convince you to betray an old mate is far worse.

    Especially when there is a woman involved: Anna, the lovely girlfriend of Harry's. This inspires an odd love triangle where one man cares for her yet does not receive that care in return, and she cares for a man who does not truly care about anyone, even though she may be his only weakness. Major Calloway attempts to show Holly the evils of Harry, and even then its only through extreme methods that Holly caves and agrees to help him.

    Why do I love this movie so much? Perhaps its the famous zither score, which infuses the film with a charm and grace that unfortunately the lesser film noirs possess. Maybe its the amazing acting, as the great cast elevate some of the lesser material and make the movie even more special than it already is. I do know for certain that The Third Man is a magical film, an exercise in near perfection, and I don't know of too many films quite like it. Nor do I think we shall ever see a movie such as The Third Man again, and maybe that's a good thing: brilliance should only come a few times so that it can be properly appreciated.
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    Been meaning to watch Apocalypse Now later tonight. Should I go with the original cut or the 316-minute Redux version? I know about the plantation scene which supposedly never ends, but what's the consensus here?
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    Strangers on a Train (1951)- Fantastic suspense but a little bit loopy on the story line. Kinda of laughable if it were that easy to set someone up for murder.
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    Go with the original cut.

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    Regarding The Third Man, Reed's Odd Man Out came out the previous year and Robert Krasker was the DP for that too - and if you compare the look I think you can attribute both to him. Both are beautiful films.

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    Quote Quoting Yxklyx (view post)
    Regarding The Third Man, Reed's Odd Man Out came out the previous year and Robert Krasker was the DP for that too - and if you compare the look I think you can attribute both to him. Both are beautiful films.
    I think The Fallen Idol is Reed's best. Well I mean technically The Third Man is more accomplished but I find the pacing in the first two thirds drags it down a bit. I also quite like A Kid for Two Farthings.
    The Princess and the Pilot - B-
    Playtime (rewatch) - A
    The Hobbit - C-
    The Comedy - D+
    Kings of the Road - C+
    The Odd Couple - B
    Red Rock West - C-
    The Hunger Games - D-
    Prometheus - C
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    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    Go with the original cut.
    i think i will.
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    • Dark (S3) ✦✦✦½ [-]
    • Fall (Mann, 2022) ✦✦✦½ [-]
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    • Dark (S2) ✦✦✦✦
    • Moon Knight (S1) ✦✦½ [-]
    • Get Carter (Hodges, 1971) ✦✦✦½ [+]
    • Prey (Trachtenberg, 2022) ✦✦✦ [-]
    • Black Bird (S1) ✦✦✦✦
    • Better Call Saul (S6) ✦✦✦½ [+]
    • Halo (S1) ✦✦✦ [-]
    • Slow Horses (S1) ✦✦✦½ [+]
    • H4Z4RD (Govaerts, 2022/BE) ✦✦½ [-]
    • Gangs of London (S1) ✦✦✦½ [+]
    • We Own This City (S1) ✦✦✦½ [+]
    • Thor: Love and Thunder (Waititi, 2022) ✦✦ [+]


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    I love both versions of Apocalypse Now, but the original cut is the best.


    Strangers on a Train (1951)- Fantastic suspense but a little bit loopy on the story line. Kinda of laughable if it were that easy to set someone up for murder.
    Maybe now but back then? I donno. I just find the movie to be excellent.

    I want to see more Carol Reed. I have The Fallen Idol on my Netflix queue.

    Oh and I wrote that Third Man review while intoxicated last night, although I've been in a heavy writing mood lately. I can thank my blog for that.
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    I think Odd Man Out is his best. A James Mason disintegrating odyssey in a "Third Man"esque Belfast that borders on the absurd.

    Recently watched a couple of Larry Clark films (Kids & Bully) and loved them both.

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    So how far off am I from consensus on this? Joe Dante's Explorers is solid throughout, but it would be nothing without that crazy alien encounter. Very good drawing of the three boys and their differences by the more-prosaic rest of the film, though. But overall, Dante's the best.
    The Act of Killing (Oppenheimer 13) - A
    Stranger by the Lake (Giraudie 12) - B
    American Hustle (Russell 13) - C+
    The Wolf of Wall Street (Scorsese 13) - C+
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    Quote Quoting Bosco B Thug (view post)
    So how far off am I from consensus on this? Joe Dante's Explorers is solid throughout, but it would be nothing without that crazy alien encounter. Very good drawing of the three boys and their differences by the more-prosaic rest of the film, though. But overall, Dante's the best.
    Honestly... I hated those aliens. I hated them so much. I liked the kids being kids, and I was even willing to go along with their discovery and cobbled-together junkcraft, but once they hit that spaceship, my frustration grew at a geometric rate.

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    Some crazy Criterion stuff in november:

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    Quote Quoting Yxklyx (view post)
    I think Odd Man Out is his best. A James Mason disintegrating odyssey in a "Third Man"esque Belfast that borders on the absurd.

    Recently watched a couple of Larry Clark films (Kids & Bully) and loved them both.
    Narratively it's fun but personally I don't find it as well shot as The Third Man or The Fallen Idol.
    The Princess and the Pilot - B-
    Playtime (rewatch) - A
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    Red Rock West - C-
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    Honestly... I hated those aliens. I hated them so much. I liked the kids being kids, and I was even willing to go along with their discovery and cobbled-together junkcraft, but once they hit that spaceship, my frustration grew at a geometric rate.
    Yeah, this isn't an uncommon opinion... It's why I'm fishing for Match-Cut Alternative Consensus. I don't love the aliens. Yes, a Contact/Mission to Mars-like ending seems more deserved. But the whole sequence with the projected images is brilliant. Little Ethan Hawke's disappointed reaction faces are pure poetry .
    The Act of Killing (Oppenheimer 13) - A
    Stranger by the Lake (Giraudie 12) - B
    American Hustle (Russell 13) - C+
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    Quote Quoting Spinal (view post)
    Marina Abramovic's Top 10 list is basically what you would expect:

    1. Color of Pomegranates (1968), Sergei Parajanov
    4. Teorama (1968), director - Pier Paolo Pasolini
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    Quote Quoting EyesWideOpen (view post)
    Some crazy Criterion stuff in november:

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    Quote Quoting Bosco B Thug (view post)
    So how far off am I from consensus on this? Joe Dante's Explorers is solid throughout, but it would be nothing without that crazy alien encounter. Very good drawing of the three boys and their differences by the more-prosaic rest of the film, though. But overall, Dante's the best.
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    how much? $300??
    MSRP is $225 and Criterion is taking preorders for $180 which is probably the price amazon will have it at. It doesn't come out till november though which is the exact time the Barnes & Noble half off sale takes place so at that time you should be able to get it for a little over $100.
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    Quote Quoting Spinal (view post)
    Marina Abramovic's Top 10 list is basically what you would expect:

    1. Color of Pomegranates (1968), Sergei Parajanov
    2. Last Year at Marienbad (1961), Alain Resnais
    3. Underground (1995), director - Emir Kusturica
    4. Teorama (1968), director - Pier Paolo Pasolini
    5. L’avventura (1960), director - Michelangelo Antonioni
    6. 8 1/2 (1963), director - Federico Fellini
    7. Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom (1975), director - Pier Paolo Pasolini
    8. Melancholia (2011), director - Lars von Trier
    9. The Silence (1963), director - Ingmar Bergman
    10. Blue Velvet (1986), director - David Lynch
    Great list.

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    She could have listed Dennis Dugan's entire filmography, but had the Antonioni at the top and Izzy'd still love it.
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    Quote Quoting Izzy Black (view post)
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    Wong Kar Wai's The Grandmaster is one of his best films. And one of the best cinematic misdirections I've seen since the master himself.

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    Quote Quoting Izzy Black (view post)
    Wong Kar Wai's The Grandmaster is one of his best films. And one of the best cinematic misdirections I've seen since the master himself.
    Intriguing.
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    Raiders has me on ignore. I mean, I totally just made that joke.
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