28 Film Discussion Threads Later

[B-side]

... a lot of Harmony getting his sexist hipster perv on.

An utterly ridiculous marginalization.

[Ezee E]

An utterly ridiculous marginalization.

Well yeah, you cut out the rest of what he said.

[Grouchy]

I freely admit that I have a prejudice against the French New Wave. It stems from being put to sleep by most of the films I've seen by Gordard and Rivette.

I should probably get over it, true.

[Spinal]

Movies are a great place to get your sexist hipster perv on. I'm thankful that there are sexist hipster pervs out there who understand that this is a part of the human experience worth exploring.

[MadMan]

Dassin is very American, guys.

I knew that thanks to TCM

I'm still exploring French New Wave. I just finally saw Breathless and I will get to The 400 Blows. I love Mellville and just watched one of his films last night, and I like Gordard so far as well. Clouzot is awesome based on having viewed both The Wages of Fear and Diaboliques.

This week I'm going to view Spring Breakers and get my sexist hipster perv on. Yeah! Le Cinema or whatever.

Oh and I want to watch the American version of Breathless made in the 80s with Richard Genre. I can't believe a remake actually exists of Breathless. That's just weird.

[MadMan]

Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle (Leiner, 2004) ***

That is um, a tad surprising. Great, but surprising.

[Derek]

Richard Genre

This is Davis's favorite actor. He looks a looks a lot like another famous actor, but there are some subtitle differences you'll notice if you look closely.

[B-side]

Well yeah, you cut out the rest of what he said.

The rest of it wasn't baseless slighting and name-calling. I detest this overuse the misogynist label in the film community. It's such a nasty buzzword that people toss around with no real sense of its meaning or context. If a female character isn't presented in the oh-so perfect light they have cornered in their mind somewhere then the filmmaker clearly hates women. If using a voyeuristic perspective -- vis a vis the implicit female sexual connotations tied to the spring break milieu -- is misogynist, then what of the men, who are also "perv"ed on and made out to be background sexual figures? If Spring Breakers makes Korine a misogynist for its voyeuristic qualities, then all of us are misogynists for ever watching porn with women in it. The only difference here is that Korine doesn't insist you objectify the women involved.

[Boner M]

I'm mostly incredulous over the notion that the "Everytime" montage was "saccharine". WTF.

[Dukefrukem]

So I think my friend is on verge of "making it". His first major role. He's the guy married to the wife.

[Ezee E]

The rest of it wasn't baseless slighting and name-calling. I detest this overuse the misogynist label in the film community. It's such a nasty buzzword that people toss around with no real sense of its meaning or context. If a female character isn't presented in the oh-so perfect light they have cornered in their mind somewhere then the filmmaker clearly hates women. If using a voyeuristic perspective -- vis a vis the implicit female sexual connotations tied to the spring break milieu -- is misogynist, then what of the men, who are also "perv"ed on and made out to be background sexual figures? If Spring Breakers makes Korine a misogynist for its voyeuristic qualities, then all of us are misogynists for ever watching porn with women in it. The only difference here is that Korine doesn't insist you objectify the women involved.

Yeah, but the whole movie misogynist, and pointed out to be. That includes the men. The women are just the forefront.

[Pop Trash]

Yeah, but the whole movie misogynist, and pointed out to be. That includes the men. The women are just the forefront.

I mostly thought everyone was just an airhead. I don't really see how the men were misogynistic. Plus the hypercolored expressive tone of the whole thing isn't particularly erotic. Arguably the most erotic scene in the movie is Franco giving a handgun a BJ.

[Qrazy]

If Spring Breakers makes Korine a misogynist for its voyeuristic qualities, then all of us are misogynists for ever watching porn with women in it.

We are.

[Spinal]

The moral implications of this conversation are well beyond my grasp. So I am going to play it safe and stand on the side of bare breasts.

[B-side]

Yeah, but the whole movie misogynist, and pointed out to be. That includes the men. The women are just the forefront.

No, it's not, actually. If you wanna count, then why not point out that the only fully redeemable character in the entire film is Faith, Selena Gomez's character, who rejects the excess and retains a quaint spirituality?

[B-side]

We are.

Nope.

mi·sog·y·ny
[mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-]
noun
hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women

Sorry, but watching porn doesn't mean I hate, dislike or don't trust women.

[Winston*]

No, it's not, actually. If you wanna count, then why not point out that the only fully redeemable character in the entire film is Faith, Selena Gomez's character, who rejects the excess and retains a quaint spirituality?

That makes the movie sound more misogynist. (I haven't seen it).

[B-side]

That makes the movie sound more misogynist. (I haven't seen it).

Quaint is my term. It's not portrayed as such. She retains her individuality -- read: spirituality and somewhat straight-edge lifestyle -- in spite of the odds against her.

[Yxklyx]

Life can be weird. I had never heard of Phil Ramone (Music Producer/Engineer/Composer) until today when I read that he died. I decided to rewatch Walkabout tonight and there he was in the credits!

[Winston*]

Quaint is my term. It's not portrayed as such. She retains her individuality -- read: spirituality and somewhat straight-edge lifestyle -- in spite of the odds against her.

So you're saying she's able to be a madonna rather than a whore?

[Boner M]

So I am going to play it safe and stand on the side of bare breasts.

That's what life is uh-bout.

[B-side]

So you're saying she's able to be a madonna rather than a whore?

No. I'm saying she remains an individual. The other girls aren't meant to be the opposite (whore) and she's not meant to be perfect (madonna), but she's the only one who comes out of the experience relatively unscathed.

[Grouchy]

"Gender issues" conversations bore me to no end.

[MadMan]

This is Davis's favorite actor. He looks a looks a lot like another famous actor, but there are some subtitle differences you'll notice if you look closely.

Do you want to be my spellchecker and or editor? As I told ETM a while back, the position is still open.

I will be quite annoyed if this entire conversation ends up being more entertaining than Spring Breakers.

[Ezee E]

No. I'm saying she remains an individual. The other girls aren't meant to be the opposite (whore) and she's not meant to be perfect (madonna), but she's the only one who comes out of the experience relatively unscathed.

Was it just me or did they all come out unscathed? Selena's character just leaves a few scenes earlier and doesn't have sex with Alien.