28 Film Discussion Threads Later

**Bosco B Thug** · 10-02-2011, 07:06 PM

Quoting Qrazy (view post)

Get your life in order.

I knew someone would slap some sense into me about that. Glad it was you, Qrazy, wink.

On second thought, I think I should have stayed out of the argument, because I'm not saying Elba is not at a celebrity level that doesn't warrant him consideration as Bond. I just think Craig is validly seen as being at a different level, as Elba only has the visibility to me of a character actor (from Thor to The Office), not a leading man, and I suspect Craig, even in that early part of his career, was being cultivated as a possible hunky white celebrity dude who's been in action movies and made memorable badass quips in a Spielberg movie.

**Ezee E** · 10-02-2011, 07:16 PM

This was a big thing a while ago, but I was looking at Craig's IMDB...

He was in Road to Perdition?

:lol:

**Kurosawa Fan** · 10-02-2011, 07:21 PM

Quoting Ezee E (view post)

This was a big thing a while ago, but I was looking at Craig's IMDB...

He was in Road to Perdition?

:lol:

Yeah, he was the sniveling son that was the catalyst for the central conflict.

Irish, I don't have anything more to say. Elba has been in just as many high profile films as Craig pre-Bond. My opinion remains unchanged, and I don't believe you've done anything to legitimately refute any of my main points.

**Lucky** · 10-02-2011, 07:23 PM

Quoting Ezee E (view post)

Funny that my post was ignored about how he's getting top billing in three big budget Hollywood movies next year.

And also being a temp boss on one of the biggest sitcoms of America.

But it's okay.

I would also include the movie with Beyonce that he did. No one saw it here, but mainstream moviegoing audiences would probably recognize him from that over The Wire.

**Irish** · 10-02-2011, 07:24 PM

Quoting Qrazy (view post)

Statistics don't work because the researcher guarantees their hypothesis to be the case. Go do that and then we'll see, not that it matters because even if you're right about his obscurity as has been pointed out the other Bond actors were also fairly obscure.

Believe it or not, I actually have done something like that, and the results were depressing (although the person in question was TS Elliot. Don't ask).

We're quibbling over the visibility of these guys. But Brosnan was on the cover of Newsweek in the late 80s. How is that 'fairly obscure'?

I've already said that Craig didn't have the profile as some of the others, but if he was obscure then Elba is anonymous, about as well known as the players in a local community theater.

**Irish** · 10-02-2011, 07:27 PM

:lol: I found that in about 2 minutes. Gotta love the Internet.

**Kurosawa Fan** · 10-02-2011, 07:31 PM

Fair enough, but that's not about Pierce, it's about metrosexuality. He's a captioned picture. Either way, the point has been proven, as far as I'm concerned, that an unestablished actor can take portray Bond and still have the film make a ton of money. That was my only argument. As for Elba, he won't be Bond anyway, so I don't really care. :lol:

**Irish** · 10-02-2011, 07:31 PM

Quoting Kurosawa Fan (view post)

Irish, I don't have anything more to say. Elba has been in just as many high profile films as Craig pre-Bond. My opinion remains unchanged, and I don't believe you've done anything to legitimately refute any of my main points.

*shrug* I don't either. I think you're wrong, but you did raise fair points.

**Irish** · 10-02-2011, 07:36 PM

Quoting Kurosawa Fan (view post)

Fair enough, but that's not about Pierce, it's about metrosexuality. He's a captioned picture. Either way, the point has been proven, as far as I'm concerned, that an unestablished actor can take portray Bond and still have the film make a ton of money. That was my only argument. As for Elba, he won't be Bond anyway, so I don't really care. :lol:

:P You're killing me because the basis of my opinion is that an actor who has never played a leading role in a major motion picture isn't what I'd call "established"; Bosco made a good point about Craig's presence and being groomed, etc.

But fair enough. Good talking to you and at you.

**Melville** · 10-02-2011, 08:13 PM

Quoting Bosco B Thug (view post)

Craig, even in that early part of his career, was being cultivated as a possible hunky white celebrity dude who's been in action movies and made memorable badass quips in a Spielberg movie.

Munich came out after he was cast as Bond. What other Spielberg movie was he in? In any case, all the press at the time pointed to his performance in Layer Cake as what got him the role, and Layer Cake was seen by like 10 people.

Winston* · 10-02-2011, 08:25 PM

Why are you guys all forgetting his most important role as British poet laureate Ted Hughes in the 2003 biographical film about Sylvia Plath, Sylvia, starring Gwyneth Paltrow?

It's the reason he was credited as Daniel 'Ted Hughes' Craig on the first Casino Royale poster.

**Bosco B Thug** · 10-02-2011, 09:48 PM

Quoting Melville (view post)

Munich came out after he was cast as Bond. What other Spielberg movie was he in? In any case, all the press at the time pointed to his performance in Layer Cake as what got him the role, and Layer Cake was seen by like 10 people.

Obviously that one Spielberg movie no one knows about except me, obviously.

I think Elba should totally be Bond, and it'll totally make money, but there was just way too much Daniel Craig and Pierce Brosnan-underestimating going on!

**Li Lili** · 10-02-2011, 10:20 PM

Quoting Llopin (view post)

Johnnie To film rankings? Yehey.

Exiled > The Mission > Election 2 > Mad Detective > Election > Running Out of Time > PTU > Breaking News > Justice, My Foot! > Vengeance > The Heroic Trio

I'd like to see more of his romcoms/HK extravaganzas. I didn't find Breaking News to be that compelling besides the first scene, which is expertly shot. It certainly isn't one of his most impressive efforts.

Hi Llopin !

Well, I'll rank almost the same way as you, except I haven't seen Vengeance (too scared that it would be rather too bad).

I would add many others (I've just realized that I've seen a fair bit!), including his romance films... I loved 'Running On Kharma' (seen several times), 'My left eye sees Ghosts' (funny and cute).
Recently I've seen 'Don't go breaking my heart' a romance not his best ones though, with Louis Koo and Daniel Wu, but pleasant to watch still.

**Li Lili** · 10-02-2011, 10:32 PM

Ah and recently I've seen at the theatre 'Restless' by Gus Van Sant and 'We need to talk about Kevin' by Lynne Ramsay, anyone seen it ?
Restless was for me just ok, a bit 'naive' and 'sweet' in a way, We need to talk about Kevin was rather raw, with a heavy, cold, grim ambiance.

**Sycophant** · 10-02-2011, 10:37 PM

Wow! Welcome back, Li Lili! I had to do a double take when I saw your name on the front page.

**Ezee E** · 10-02-2011, 11:35 PM

Indeed. Welcome back. Hope you stick around.

I saw We Need To Talk About Kevin at Telluride. I wasn't a big fan of it. Well made by Ramsey, but way over-the-top to me. Too much.

**Spinal** · 10-03-2011, 12:38 AM

Quoting Sycophant (view post)

Wow! Welcome back, Li Lili! I had to do a double take when I saw your name on the front page.

Yes. Thumbs up to that.

**Ivan Drago** · 10-03-2011, 03:20 AM

Are you someone from RT, Lili?

**B-side** · 10-03-2011, 07:45 AM

Just as a heads up as it's a pretty big deal, Rivette's L'amour fou finally has a decent print and English subtitles on KG.

**baby doll** · 10-03-2011, 08:00 AM

Quoting Brightside (view post)

Just as a heads up as it's a pretty big deal, Rivette's L'amour fou finally has a decent print and English subtitles on KG.

Thanks for the heads-up.

**Li Lili** · 10-03-2011, 10:04 AM

Thanks for the welcome back... Well, at the moment, I have some free time, so I may come more often...
And yes, Ivan Drago, I was also someone from RT, a long time ago (even forgot when was it...)

Quoting Ezee E (view post)

Indeed. Welcome back. Hope you stick around.

I saw We Need To Talk About Kevin at Telluride. I wasn't a big fan of it. Well made by Ramsey, but way over-the-top to me. Too much.

Yes, I can understand, thinking more about it afterwards, it's true that it can be over the top such as for the obsession with the colours, especially the reds, or the unrealistic situation. The fact that their kid at 8 years old still wearing nappies, hardly talks or hardly has a reaction, or shows some "odd" behaviours, and the parents don't see a specialist (only once she sees a doctor, who doesn't seem very competent), it's a bit unreal, even if it's from the mother's memories, therefore her own point of view (but a memory has always something unreal, biased, incomplete or disproportionate) we sees.

**Llopin** · 10-03-2011, 12:08 PM

Quoting Li Lili (view post)

Hi Llopin !

Well, I'll rank almost the same way as you, except I haven't seen Vengeance (too scared that it would be rather too bad).

I would add many others (I've just realized that I've seen a fair bit!), including his romance films... I loved 'Running On Kharma' (seen several times), 'My left eye sees Ghosts' (funny and cute).
Recently I've seen 'Don't go breaking my heart' a romance not his best ones though, with Louis Koo and Daniel Wu, but pleasant to watch still.

So awesome to read you! Hope everything's going all right!

I find it interesting how To's reputation in the west consists on his crime/action flicks - which endure a complete festival exposure - but probably in HK most people would recognize him for his lighter efforts. I'm aware his gangster films have been critically aclaimed over there (having won several HK awards), but his romantic comedies/dramas and Chow projects have been among his most commercially strong releases.

I'd really like to see Spacked Out, which seems to be an atypical film even for his eclectic standards.

**Dukefrukem** · 10-03-2011, 05:30 PM

Thomas Jane was a gay hooker?

**Ivan Drago** · 10-03-2011, 06:01 PM

Quoting Li Lili (view post)

And yes, Ivan Drago, I was also someone from RT, a long time ago (even forgot when was it...)

LillyVon? Just a shot in the dark.

**Ezee E** · 10-03-2011, 06:07 PM

Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)

Thomas Jane was a gay hooker?

Arrested Development?

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