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    One of the things I like the most about match-cut is people here don't write off movies because "all the critics said they suck and they made diddly-squat." People here have minds of their own and keep them open for every movie they watch.

    I personally have a lot of movies on my thumbs up list that got drubbed including:
    Heaven's Gate
    1941
    Popeye
    Zabriske Point
    Mission to Mars
    Howard the Duck
    One From the Heart
    Speed Racer

    I really need to see Ishtar.

    Oh, and I forgot about Zardoz and Exorcist II: The Heretic
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    I like Gran Torino.
    I love Gran Torino. But the actress that played Sue was.. not good.

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    Because, my god, it's Ishtar. Ishtar?!
    The trend is that films derided on a mass scale like Ishtar generally harbor choice qualities that are overlooked in the scramble to prove one's self a voice of status quo reasoning. I do not like the film myself, but I haven't seen it since I was a teenager. I have several friends who like it, so I trust that there's probably something to it. Quality is seldom as self-evident as you seem to think it is.

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    Quote Quoting balmakboor (view post)
    Heaven's Gate
    Popeye
    Mission to Mars
    Exorcist II: The Heretic
    All masterpieces.

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    Quote Quoting balmakboor (view post)
    I personally have a lot of movies on my thumbs up list that got drubbed including:
    Heaven's Gate
    1941
    Popeye
    Zabriske Point
    Mission to Mars
    Howard the Duck
    One From the Heart
    Speed Racer
    You mean as a guilty-pleasure thing or a so-bad-it's-good thing or are you genuinely arguing that these are good movies and the rest of us missed out?

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    Quote Quoting Sven (view post)
    The trend is that films derided on a mass scale like Ishtar generally harbor choice qualities that are overlooked in the scramble to prove one's self a voice of status quo reasoning. I do not like the film myself, but I haven't seen it since I was a teenager. I have several friends who like it, so I trust that there's probably something to it. Quality is seldom as self-evident as you seem to think it is.
    Good post. I owe you a +1.

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    Quote Quoting Sven (view post)
    All masterpieces.
    Sven, you have to check out the hour-long interview of DePalma by Noah Baumbach on the new Blow Out Criterion release. Great stuff, especially when DePalma goes off about how he hates "coverage" and an over-reliance on close-ups.

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    Quote Quoting Sven (view post)
    The trend is that films derided on a mass scale like Ishtar generally harbor choice qualities that are overlooked in the scramble to prove one's self a voice of status quo reasoning.
    And to think this was your MO way before the trend started. How ahead of the curve are you!?

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    Quote Quoting Irish (view post)
    You mean as a guilty-pleasure thing or a so-bad-it's-good thing or are you genuinely arguing that these are good movies and the rest of us missed out?
    While a few are flawed movies that I still find well worth seeing, a few are to me genuinely great movies. Heaven's Gate is one of American film's high points.
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    And to think this was your MO way before the trend started. How ahead of the curve are you!?
    Brow furrowed, I've been trying to pinpoint for the last few minutes exactly where the ribbing is here. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post. The trend has been there pretty much forever. I feel like I've always tried to give derided films a fair shot. I'm missing the joke.

    Thanks for the rec about the De Palma interview. I've been wondering how it is.

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    Quote Quoting Derek (view post)
    ...when DePalma goes off about how he hates "coverage" and an over-reliance on close-ups.
    Yes! I can't tell you how many projects I've worked on that have alienated my artistic sensibilities with an insistence on proper coverage. Probably why I dislike television as much as I do.

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    Quote Quoting Sven (view post)
    Brow furrowed, I've been trying to pinpoint for the last few minutes exactly where the ribbing is here. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post. The trend has been there pretty much forever. I feel like I've always tried to give derided films a fair shot. I'm missing the joke.
    Does the word "trend" not suggest something temporary? If it's been around forever, it's not really a trend. The way you said made it sound like you were saying it was in vogue or whatevs and I was saying you were doing that before it was cool. Nothing mean-spirited intended.

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    Thanks for the rec about the De Palma interview. I've been wondering how it is.
    Yeah, Baumbach's a good interviewer and they cover a good amount of ground. I do wonder if the Baumbach/DePalma combo will make Armond's head explode.

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    Quote Quoting Derek (view post)
    Does the word "trend" not suggest something temporary? If it's been around forever, it's not really a trend. The way you said made it sound like you were saying it was in vogue or whatevs and I was saying you were doing that before it was cool. Nothing mean-spirited intended.
    Ah. I was using "trend" to describe a pattern. As in "the trend is that the sky is more red during a sunset". Anyway, this is not to say that I am not a prescient genius and dictator of discerning taste.

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    Opinions on Tim Burton's Mars Attacks!?

    Was watching it last night for the first time since it was originally released on VHS, and I was 9 years old, so in other words I was pretty much watching it for the first time.

    And yeesh...awful.

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    Opinions on Tim Burton's Mars Attacks!?

    Was watching it last night for the first time since it was originally released on VHS, and I was 9 years old, so in other words I was pretty much watching it for the first time.

    And yeesh...awful.
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    I think its a really funny spoof of 1950s sci-fi space invader movies. Plus it has Jack Nickelson playing two roles, and a young Jack Black and Natalie Portman as well. My favorite moment though is the great Jim Brown fighting the Martian leader.
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    I was surprised by how totally unfunny it is.

    Just...blah. Total misfire. And what a waste of such an incredible cast.

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    Opinions on Tim Burton's Mars Attacks!?
    Post-Ed Wood Burton is all pretty bad.

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Opinions on Tim Burton's Mars Attacks!?

    Was watching it last night for the first time since it was originally released on VHS, and I was 9 years old, so in other words I was pretty much watching it for the first time.

    And yeesh...awful.
    Let's see. I saw it in theaters with my friend Chip, and we would have been... oh... sixteen. We laughed and laughed and laughed.

    Would I think it's funny now? Hard to say.
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    Post-Ed Wood Burton is all pretty bad.

    Sleepy Hollow is wonderful :sad:

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    Mars Attacks is great.

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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Opinions on Tim Burton's Mars Attacks!?

    Was watching it last night for the first time since it was originally released on VHS, and I was 9 years old, so in other words I was pretty much watching it for the first time.

    And yeesh...awful.
    Bold concept, scattershot execution.

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    Let's see. I saw it in theaters with my friend Chip, and we would have been... oh... sixteen. We laughed and laughed and laughed.

    Would I think it's funny now? Hard to say.
    I vividly remember seeing it in theaters and i vividly remember being so disappointed. They rebooted the comic series around this time and boy was Mars Attacks a terrible movie, probably Burtons worst. Best part? Jack being impaled by the Martian flag.

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