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    The Verdict is probably my fave of his, and his best from a directorial standpoint. Wanna see The Train most of all.

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    The Verdict is probably my fave of his, and his best from a directorial standpoint. Wanna see The Train most of all.
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    Frankenheimer. And it's awesome.
    D'oh, I mean The Hill. Get those titles confused. Wanna see 'em both equally.

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    Didn't someone else trash Naked just recently? I want to say it was Pop Trash. Good times.
    Yeah that movie sucks. I also don't like Withnail & I, so I apparently have issues with repellent, annoying English people.
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    Quote Quoting StanleyK (view post)
    What a thoroughly unpleasant experience Naked was. I'm not opposed to films with odious characters doing odious things to each other, but here it happens with no rhyme or reason. Unlike what the title suggests, this is not a movie that shows people naked (figuratively- vulnerable, emotionally true). Nobody does or says anything that makes any sense. I felt like the roommate character, who arrives at the tail end of things and is incapable of parsing what happened. Except it was like that the whole time. Of course, she also gets treated with condescension, as the only seemingly decent character is a bumbling retard. A boring, depressing, disgustingly nihilistic film, just barely well-made enough to fleetingly retain my interest (Thewlis' rant on the end of the world stood out).
    I can understand disliking it for its pessimistic ugliness (and I do think it's a bit too forcefully contrived in that regard), but the events in it definitely happen with rhyme and reason. To quote my response to Pop Trash a few months ago, "It's a palpably grim inversion of The Odyssey that uses its mythic structure to explore modern alienation, misanthropy, and nihilism." All the characters' odious actions have a clear place in that structure. If you mean that there's no rhyme or reason in the sense of character motivation, I'm not sure which odious things you're referring to, since the protagonist is very distinctly defined (and one of the most memorable characters in any film, I think). The events at his girlfriend's house?

    And I completely disagree with your assessment that it's "just barely well-made enough". It combines Leigh's usual stark, meditative naturalism with a blistering intensity, especially in the dialogue, which is carried off by David Thewlis' equally blistering performance.
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    It's pretty weird how, despite absolutely loving Emak-Bakia the one time I saw it, I remembered none of the imagery in it. Literally the only thing I recognized (outside of maybe some of the rotating abstract shapes) was the woman with the eyelids painted to resemble open eyes, which happens at the very end. Not sure whether that's a good or a bad thing; in any case, the effect is that I was essentially seeing it for the first time again, and it is a wonderful, exhilarating film.

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    Quote Quoting Melville
    I can understand disliking it for its pessimistic ugliness (and I do think it's a bit too forcefully contrived in that regard), but the events in it definitely happen with rhyme and reason. To quote my response to Pop Trash a few months ago, "It's a palpably grim inversion of The Odyssey that uses its mythic structure to explore modern alienation, misanthropy, and nihilism." All the characters' odious actions have a clear place in that structure. If you mean that there's no rhyme or reason in the sense of character motivation, I'm not sure which odious things you're referring to, since the protagonist is very distinctly defined (and one of the most memorable characters in any film, I think). The events at his girlfriend's house?
    I did mean in terms of character motivation. There didn't seem to be any particular reason for Thewlis' actions. Why did he rape that girl at the beginning? Why did he hurt the roommate during sex? Why did he then leave in a huff? Why was he so fond of the Scottish dude and Maggie? Why did he annoy everyone he comes across? Why did he also hurt, and then steal the girl in the window's books? Why didn't he hurt/rape the waitress? Best I can think of is that he thinks that the world is coming to an end so there's no point to anything least of all being nice, which is a pretty fucking weak motivation. Sebastian Hawks was even worse; the hell was up with that guy? And yeah, the film definitely felt contrived in its ugliness, every action calculated to simply be as unpleasant as possible with little regard to logic or theme; felt rather like a shallow film to be honest, desperately posturing to be taken seriously.

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    And I completely disagree with your assessment that it's "just barely well-made enough". It combines Leigh's usual stark, meditative naturalism with a blistering intensity, especially in the dialogue, which is carried off by David Thewlis' equally blistering performance.
    The filmmaking seemed purely functional to me. Thewlis' rant at the office building, as I said, was pretty good; maybe because it's the only thing he does which seems consistent, and also because it's one of the few shots that does something interesting with character placement and framing (granted, the latter half of the film does present some nice wide shots).

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    Quote Quoting StanleyK (view post)
    I did mean in terms of character motivation. There didn't seem to be any particular reason for Thewlis' actions.
    I can't remember most of the details of the plot you mention, but his whole character is based around (a) his feeling that existence is ugly, meaningless, and doomed (either inherently or because it's been made so) and (b) his desire to maintain his own being by insisting upon it and forcing it on others. And he's a mirror of Odysseus: the clever man making his way with trickery and boastfulness, but now (as in most modern versions of The Odyssey) an antihero and a perpetual wanderer rather than someone who wants the fixed place (social and geographical) to return to. That's a gross simplification, but I think it's the gist of his character.

    Why did he rape that girl at the beginning?
    To force himself upon something. And it's a play on The Odyssey: the Greeks begin their return home from the starting point of having metaphorically raped Troy and literally raped women (though I can't recall if Odysseus was guilty of the latter; the contrast works either way, either by contrasting the social meaning of rape then versus now, or by contrasting Odysseus with Johnny).

    Why did he hurt the roommate during sex? Why did he then leave in a huff?
    I don't remember this...are you referring to the very ending? He hurts people during sex because he's sadistic and spiteful: he wants to torment people to exact his revenge on existence and to insist upon himself. He leaves because he spitefully wants to insist upon his hate of the world and he resents people treating him well or asking anything of him.

    Why was he so fond of the Scottish dude and Maggie?
    Because they're silly and pathetic (at least he thinks so) and they're already a couple (unless I'm mixing up characters), so he looks upon them from the outside; it's a different dynamic than the one-on-one relationships he has with other characters.

    Why did he annoy everyone he comes across?
    Again, to insist upon his Being to them, to force himself, and his view of the world, upon them.

    Why did he also hurt, and then steal the girl in the window's books?
    I don't remember the details, but I remember her seeming kind of wounded and weak, which would invite his spite and desire to hurt her. I also remember her being friendly, which he would resent, leading to the theft.

    Why didn't he hurt/rape the waitress?
    I don't remember this. But you're making it sound like he should always act exactly the same, which isn't how any believable character operates.

    Sebastian Hawks was even worse; the hell was up with that guy?
    He was definitely more of a thematic device than a well-developed character, but I think he works pretty well as an exemplification of a sociopathic, narcissistic, powerful person. And again he works in terms of a contrast with the Odyssey: in the original story, the suitors who have taken over Odysseus' home are all weak louts that Odysseus slaughters; here, the equivalent character is powerful, infinitely self-possessed, and actually owns the home (unless I'm misremembering) that Johnny is returning to—the hero of the story is powerless, despite his constant forcing of himself upon others.

    The filmmaking seemed purely functional to me. Thewlis' rant at the office building, as I said, was pretty good; maybe because it's the only thing he does which seems consistent, and also because it's one of the few shots that does something interesting with character placement and framing (granted, the latter half of the film does present some nice wide shots).
    You seem to be referring to cinematography alone. The whole film has a tactile grey grittiness to it, so I think visually it does its job well, but I was mostly thinking of the very punchy, often funny dialogue and performances.
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    I haven't seen it, but I keep hearing good things about Prince of the City (1981) from around the blogosphere.
    It's above average, Dog Day Afternoon is infinitely better.
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    Quote Quoting Melville (view post)
    I don't remember this. But you're making it sound like he should always act exactly the same, which isn't how any believable character operates.

    He doesn't hurt her physically, but he does tell her, right after she kicks him out, that . . .

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    He left the roommate because. . .

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    I enjoyed Family Business, but I think it was largely due to [...] the fact that it was entertaining.
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    I don't see Naked as being nihilistic; the music score seems consistently mournful of the nihilism and misanthropy displayed by its characters, and I think that's the attitude Leigh has as well. I think its title is more of a provocation than anything. After all, Leigh's style is hyper-natural rather than natural, characters larger-than-life in the David Lynch sense, with Manchester depicted as the post-apocalyptic wasteland* that Thewlis insists it'll become. It's more of an alternate reality sci-fi film than anything, imagining human affairs at their worst; the sad product of alienation and apathy taken to their logical endpoint. It's like a crotchety old man's vision of what the modern world has become, and in the best way. Plus, it's damn funny.

    *For instance, this image and its corresponding scene could be something out of Stalker.


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    Gonna go see that new Mike Leigh joint this weekend, I think.

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    I imagine Attenberg will get a fair amount of love since it's similar in tone to Dogtooth, plus the director is Lanthimos' producer, and Lanthimos has a substantial supporting role in this. The story follows a young woman whose father is dying. She's never been with a man, and in fact thinks she may be asexual. She practices kissing with her best friend. Awkwardness ensues. She loves David Attenborough's animal documentaries. She acts out animal behavior with her best friend. She meets a man who awakens her sexuality. Great performance by Ariane Labed who has a major role in Lanthimos' upcoming Alps. It could be said the film is an anthropological view of a young Greek woman's coming of age, her first steps into adulthood, mirroring those documentaries she so loves.

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    There are parts of Summer Wars that work, and there are parts that don't. The OZ network concept is terribly unruly and unfortunately uninteresting (from my perspective anyway). The spectacle it provides is sometimes a fun bit of eye candy, but the rules of this world never seem quite sensible enough for me to feel invested in.

    Ultimately, the human story provides some truly resonant sequences and there's an intelligent emotional core underneath it all. Its themes and messages seem particularly well suited for today's Japanese youth. I liked it, and it's worth watching, but The Girl Who Leapt Through Time this ain't.

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    I'd watch it again over Dog Day Afternoon.
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    Gonna go see that new Mike Leigh joint this weekend, I think.
    Yeah, this one ends up being a bit above average for Leigh. Not one of his best, but solid and Manville is brilliant in it. It doesn't really generate much in the way of discussion afterwards, I'm finding, but well-acted throughout. The Joe/Mary scenes have an odd vibe about them, as Joe himself isn't sure what he wants.
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    I'm kind of worried about the reliability of IMDB release dates. Recently they've changed Winter Light from 62 to 63, The Heart of the World from 00 to 01, Eraserhead from 77 to 76 and now back to 77, The General from 27 to 26, Emak-Bakia from 26 to 27... All for no apparent reason, as far as I can tell. Anyone know what's the deal?
    Likely, as more people find the site, dates get corrected. Did you see the details for The General:

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    Quote Quoting soitgoes... (view post)
    I imagine Attenberg will get a fair amount of love since it's similar in tone to Dogtooth, plus the director is Lanthimos' producer, and Lanthimos has a substantial supporting role in this. The story follows a young woman whose father is dying. She's never been with a man, and in fact thinks she may be asexual. She practices kissing with her best friend. Awkwardness ensues. She loves David Attenborough's animal documentaries. She acts out animal behavior with her best friend. She meets a man who awakens her sexuality. Great performance by Ariane Labed who has a major role in Lanthimos' upcoming Alps. It could be said the film is an anthropological view of a young Greek woman's coming of age, her first steps into adulthood, mirroring those documentaries she so loves.
    I think you're being a bit kind (which is fine, since--by the end--the film has gone from alienating to inviting), but I guess I don't even see any opinion in your paragraph--just synopsis. What did you think about the film?

    As I said in another thread, it's unique but awfully scattered. And, sure, occasionally its observation of eccentric human behavior is similar Dogtooth, but without the actual, convincing narrative frame necessary to shape it. This, consequently, made Dogtooth so significant, but without the framing makes Attenberg feel somewhat inconsequential and rather frivolous.
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    Well it was a merely solid movie at best. I've stopped explaining myself because of Criticker-my ratings for every movie I've seen are up there. Eventually I hope to work all ratings into my blog, so I can just point to it and stop having to even post thoughts, or anything meaningful :P
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    Quote Quoting MadMan (view post)
    Well it was a merely solid movie at best. I've stopped explaining myself because of Criticker-my ratings for every movie I've seen are up there. Eventually I hope to work all ratings into my blog, so I can just point to it and stop having to even post thoughts, or anything meaningful :P
    I just found it funny the way you worded that. I don't know about you, but I only enjoy movies that are entertaining.
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    Quote Quoting Brightside (view post)
    I just found it funny the way you worded that. I don't know about you, but I only enjoy movies that are entertaining.
    Heh, I think what I meant was that movie is merely entertaining fluff-compared to, say, Lumet's more meaty and meaningful movies like Network, 12 Angry Men, and even Before the Devil Knows Your Dead it was just him having fun making a movie with Sean Connery, Matthew Broadwick, and Dustin Hoffman. The cast also elevates the material above mediocre, too.
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