28 Film Discussion Threads Later

[Idioteque Stalker]

Along with Masaaki Yuasa, my favorite anime director currently working.

Okay, add Naoko Yamada to this list. She hasn't made many movies, but both A Silent Voice and Liz and the Blue Bird are very good. I eagerly anticipate her next movie, but it's probably not coming out for a while after some asshole accusing Kyoto Animation of plagiarism lit the studio on fire, killing 36 people.

[Philip J. Fry]

Okay, add Naoko Yamada to this list. She hasn't made many movies, but both A Silent Voice and Liz and the Blue Bird are very good. I eagerly anticipate her next movie, but it's probably not coming out for a while after some asshole accusing Kyoto Animation of plagiarism lit the studio on fire, killing 36 people.

They're so good.

[baby doll]

It sounds like these other films you recommended have a faster pace, then? "Portentous and slow," 4-hour movies would definitely push me away. Honestly, I haven't had much interest in Heaven's Gate, restored version or not. The story for The Woman Who Left sounds appealing to me, but the trailer makes it look like it has a pretty languid pace, too. Does the story turn fast enough to justify 4 hours? Any 90-to-150 minute masterpieces you'd suggest?

Edit: I suppose by calling in a masterpiece, you are already suggesting it justifies its run-time. I guess I'm always just hesitant to jump into 4-hour movies.

Maybe slow was a poor choice of words; solemn is probably closer to the mark. The films by Rivette, Yang, and Diaz aren't exactly fast and Diaz's in particular mostly consists of lengthy scenes of the characters hanging out; what keeps the film fascinating is that the characters keep revealing new facets of their personalities that force us to revise our initial impressions of them. In the case of Yang's film, its length is justified by the profusion of characters and events that far outstrips the spectator's ability to keep track of them all in a single viewing. Of the three, Rivette's is probably the closest to a normal film; the duration of the painting sessions is justified primarily by verisimilitude, giving the spectator the impression of really watching a painter at work.

[baby doll]

Any 90-to-150 minute masterpieces you'd suggest?

80 minutes or under:

• A Corner in Wheat (D.W. Griffith, 1909)
• The Cheat (Cecil B. DeMille, 1915)
• Easy Street (Charles Chaplin, 1917)
• Die Puppe (Ernst Lubitsch, 1919)
• Sherlock, Jr. (Buster Keaton, 1924)
• Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925)
• By the Law (Lev Kuleshov, 1926)
• Page of Madness (Kinugasa Teinosuke, 1926)
• The Docks of New York (Josef von Sternberg, 1928)
• Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929)
• Un chien andalou (Luis Buñuel, 1929)
• Earth (Aleksandr Dovzhenko, 1930)
• Vampyr—Der Traum des Allan Gray (Carl Theodor Dreyer, 1932)
• Hard to Handle (Mervyn LeRoy, 1933)
• Japanese Girls at the Harbour (Shimizu Hiroshi, 1933)
• The Goddess (Wu Yanggong, 1934)
• Wife! Be Like a Rose! (Naruse Mikio, 1935)
• Le Crime de Monsieur Lange (Jean Renoir, 1936)
• Sisters of the Gion (Mizoguchi Kenji, 1936)
• What Did the Lady Forget? (Ozu Yasujiro, 1937)
• I Walked with a Zombie (Jacques Tourneur, 1943)
• The Seventh Victim (Mark Robson, 1943)
• Detour (Edgar G. Ulmer, 1945)
• Germany Year Zero (Roberto Rossellini, 1948)
• Begone Dull Care (Evelyn Lambart/Norman McLaren, 1949)
• Le Sang des bêtes (Georges Franju, 1949)
• Duck Amuck (Chuck Jones, 1953)
• Pickup on South Street (Sam Fuller, 1953)
• Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome (Kenneth Anger, 1954)
• Nuit et brouillard (Alain Resnais, 1955)
• Free Radicals (Len Lye, 1958)
• Pickpocket (Robert Bresson, 1959)
• La Boulangère de Monceau (Éric Rohmer, 1963)
• Mothlight (Stan Brakhage, 1963)
• Nicht versöhnt oder Es hilft nur Gewalt, wo Gewalt herrscht (Danièle Huillet/Jean-Marie Straub, 1965)
• The War Game (Peter Watkins, 1965)
• La Noire de... (Sembène Ousmane, 1966)
• Fuses (Carolee Schneemann, 1967)
• Love Affair, or the Case of the Missing Switchboard Operator (Dušan Makavejev, 1967)
• Wavelength (Michael Snow, 1967)
• Sayat-Nova (Sergei Parajanov, 1969)
• Serene Velocity (Ernie Gehr, 1970)
• Zorns Lemma (Hollis Frampton, 1970)
• Cuadecuc, vampir (Pere Portabella, 1971)
• Fuji (Robert Breer, 1974)
• Eadweard Muybridge, Zoopraxographer (Thom Andersen, 1975)
• Ici et ailleurs (Jean-Luc Godard/Anne-Marie Miéville, 1976)
• Killer of Sheep (Charles Burnett, 1978)
• The Scenic Route (Mark Rappaport, 1978)
• Foster Child (Gil Cardinal, 1987)
• Un histoire de vent (Joris Ivens/Marceline Lordian-Ivens, 1988)
• Virile Games (Jan Švankmajer, 1988)
• Calendar (Atom Egoyan, 1993)
• A Moment of Innocence (Mohsen Makhmalbaf, 1996)
• Alone. Life Wastes Andy Hardy (Martin Arnold, 1998)
• Outer Space (Peter Tscherkassky, 1999)
• Kékszakállú (Gastón Solnicki, 2016)
• The Green Fog (Evan Johnson/Galen Johnson/Guy Maddin, 2017)
• Mi piel, luminosa (Nicolás Pereda/Gabino RodrÃ*guez, 2019)
• (tourism studies) (Joshua Gen Solondz, 2019)

Just to name the first sixty that come to mind.

[Idioteque Stalker]

A Moment of Innocence (Mohsen Makhmalbaf, 1996)

I want to see this so bad. Not an easy movie to track down.

[baby doll]

I want to see this so bad. Not an easy movie to track down.

I wonder if you can still borrow it on VHS from the Halifax Public Library.

[Spun Lepton]

Duck Amuck (Chuck Jones, 1953)

Can't argue this one.

[transmogrifier]

Ben Affleck
Henry Cavill
Amy Adams
Gal Gadot
Ray Fisher
Jason Momoa
Ezra Miller
Willem Dafoe
Jesse Eisenberg
Jeremy Irons
Diane Lane
Connie Nielsen
J.K. Simmons
Ciarán Hinds
Amber Heard
Joe Morton
David Thewlis
Kevin Costner
Billy Crudup
Robin Wright
Joe Manganiello
Jared Leto
Russell Crowe
Carla Gugino

vs.

Robert Downey Jr.
Chris Evans
Mark Ruffalo
Chris Hemsworth
Scarlett Johansson
Jeremy Renner
Tom Hiddleston
Cobie Smulders
Stellan Skarsgård
Samuel L. Jackson
Gwyneth Paltrow
Paul Bettany
Don Cheadle
Aaron Taylor-Johnson
Elizabeth Olsen
Anthony Mackie
Hayley Atwell
Idris Elba
Linda Cardellini
Thomas Kretschmann
Andy Serkis
Julie Delpy

?

[megladon8]

Uhhh...the Marvel players, for every one.

[Dukefrukem]

Ben Affleck
Henry Cavill
Amy Adams
Gal Gadot
Ray Fisher
Jason Momoa
Ezra Miller
Willem Dafoe
Jesse Eisenberg
Jeremy Irons
Diane Lane
Connie Nielsen
J.K. Simmons
Ciarán Hinds
Amber Heard
Joe Morton
David Thewlis
Kevin Costner
Billy Crudup
Robin Wright
Joe Manganiello
Jared Leto
Russell Crowe
Carla Gugino

vs.

Robert Downey Jr.
Chris Evans
Mark Ruffalo
Chris Hemsworth
Scarlett Johansson
Jeremy Renner
Tom Hiddleston
Cobie Smulders
Stellan Skarsgård
Samuel L. Jackson
Gwyneth Paltrow
Paul Bettany
Don Cheadle
Aaron Taylor-Johnson
Elizabeth Olsen
Anthony Mackie
Hayley Atwell
Idris Elba
Linda Cardellini
Thomas Kretschmann
Andy Serkis
Julie Delpy

?

Gal Gadot over Scarlet Johansson and Robin Wright over Haley Atwell but that's about it.

[megladon8]

No Hayley Atwell???

I just cried.

[Dukefrukem]

J.K. Simmons over Thomas Kretschmann.

[Dukefrukem]

No Hayley Atwell???

I just cried.

I'm not sure what we are doing. Is it a head to head match up? Roles reversed? Replaced? Career vs career?

[megladon8]

I'd take Hayley Atwell over most of my own relatives, to be honest.

Meow.

[transmogrifier]

I'm not sure what we are doing. Is it a head to head match up? Roles reversed? Replaced? Career vs career?

It’s the cast list for Snyder’s Justice League vs the cast list for Avengers: Age of Ultron. If you had to choose one of the two lists as a whole to cast your hypothetical movie, which would it be?

[Idioteque Stalker]

In a hypothetical world where the MCU didn't elevate so many careers and DC didn't destroy them, that DC cast is better on paper.

[Dukefrukem]

In a hypothetical world where the MCU didn't elevate so many careers and DC didn't destroy them, that DC cast is better on paper.

Yeh hard to leave Crowe, Simmons and Irons on the table.

[Idioteque Stalker]

Yeh hard to leave Crowe, Simmons and Irons on the table.

And Amy Adams, Willem Dafoe, and David Thewlis.

[Spun Lepton]

In a hypothetical world where the MCU didn't elevate so many careers and DC didn't destroy them, that DC cast is better on paper.

Is involvement in DC really destroying careers, though? Ezra Miller and Amber Heard's undoings seem to be by their own hands.

[Dukefrukem]

And Amy Adams, Willem Dafoe, and David Thewlis.

I can do without Amy Adams....

[Idioteque Stalker]

Is involvement in DC really destroying careers, though? Ezra Miller and Amber Heard's undoings seem to be by their own hands.

Fair. It would be more accurate to say MCU has elevated many careers, while DC has not (and that's being generous).

[Idioteque Stalker]

I can do without Amy Adams....

I can't.

[Ezee E]

Anyone remember when they had a DC Vs Marvel short comic series?

[Grouchy]

What that comparison shows is that DC grabbed more legendary actors from other eras - Costner, Lane, Thewlis, Irons, Crowe. Marvel aimed generally younger, but of course Anthony Hopkins is missing from that list.

[transmogrifier]

What that comparison shows is that DC grabbed more legendary actors from other eras - Costner, Lane, Thewlis, Irons, Crowe. Marvel aimed generally younger, but of course Anthony Hopkins is missing from that list.

I wanted to compare Justice League vs. The first Avengers originally, but I think JL won that easily, and JL vs. Endgame is a walkover for the latter because it has like a million actors in it. So JL vs A:AoU was the comparison to produce a roughly similar cast list length. Of course, I haven't seen JL and don't remember AoU much, so most of these actors are probably in them for like 10 seconds.