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    Quote Quoting megladon8 (view post)
    Never understood the argument that the first year of a decade is 1.

    00-09 is the decade, to me.
    Because it's a fact. There's nothing to interpret. So changing it for aesthetic preference is lazy.
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    DON'T ANSWER THAT!

    The sanctity of the top 50 thread must be preserved.
    Oh my top 50 all time list is different form my MC 50 list. I forgot about our lists. I've been forgetting about a lot of stuff lately.
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    I go by 0-9 as well, but then grouping films by decade is inherently arbitrary anyway, especially since there are other calendar systems in existence besides the Gregorian (Hebrew, Iranian, Bengali, etc.).
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    Top 50 by Japanese era:

    Meiji (1868-1912): 0 (0%)
    Taisho (1912-1926): 4 (8%)
    Showa (1926-1989): 36 (72%)
    Heisei (1989-2019): 10 (10%)
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    Well Letterboxd agrees with you guys. But I'll stick to science.
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    Memento is pretty underrated as far as being mentioned as the best of the 90s. And for a decade often looked down as bad one for serious American cinema, Goodfellas is a great 80s film.
    Midnight Run (1988) - 9
    The Smiling Lieutenant (1931) - 8.5
    The Adventures of Robinhood (1938) - 8
    Sisters (1973) - 6.5
    Shin Godzilla (2016) - 7.5

  7. #70032
    A decade can be any period of ten years. There is no reason that every decade must start with a year ending in one. We are not "counting" decades from the year 1 the way we count centuries (i.e. the twenty-first century). Nobody calls the period from 1991 to 2000 "the 200th decade." 1990-1999 is as much of a decade as 1991-2000, but it doesn't make sense to call 1991-2000 "the nineties".

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    A decade can be any period of ten years. There is no reason that every decade must start with a year ending in one. We are not "counting" decades from the year 1 the way we count centuries (i.e. the twenty-first century). Nobody calls the period from 1991 to 2000 "the 200th decade." 1990-1999 is as much of a decade as 1991-2000, but it doesn't make sense to call 1991-2000 "the nineties".
    What I like most about this post is that it agrees with my opinion and I can pretend that this was my reason too. Thanks!
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    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    That's a very Millennial bias on your part.
    Hey now, I'm 32, and I absolutely disagree with Duke here, so don't lump all of us in the same category as him ; ) At any rate, concerns about grainy cinematography aside (which I feel lends an appropriately literal grit to the films of that era anyway), the 70's has always been my personal favorite period for film (at least just when it comes to Hollywood), as it's always felt like the closest the industry has ever come to being a true golden age for directors, what with the relative amount of artistic freedom that was afforded to them during that period, sandwiched in-between the studio dominance of the Classical era, and the franchise/special effects spectacle/for-all-audiences blockbuster-based model that's driven Hollywood for these past 4+ decades during the Modern period, and I can't ever imagine feeling that the decade that comprised the bulk of the New Hollywood movement was a weak one as a whole, in any way, shape, or form.
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    Quote Quoting StuSmallz (view post)
    Hey now, I'm 32, and I absolutely disagree with Duke here, so don't lump all of us in the same category as him ; ) At any rate, concerns about grainy cinematography aside (which I feel lends an appropriately literal grit to the films of that era anyway), the 70's has always been my personal favorite period for film (at least just when it comes to Hollywood), as it's always felt like the closest the industry has ever come to being a true golden age for directors, what with the relative amount of artistic freedom that was afforded to them during that period, sandwiched in-between the studio dominance of the Classical era, and the franchise/special effects spectacle/for-all-audiences blockbuster-based model that's driven Hollywood for these past 4+ decades during the Modern period, and I can't ever imagine feeling that the decade that comprised the bulk of the New Hollywood movement was a weak one as a whole, in any way, shape, or form.
    All of that may be true and I don't disagree with it, but from a strictly visual ascetics, it's by far the least visual appealing technique in the last 100 years. Except for the part where it's sandwiched in between classic era and blockbuster specials. That was 20+ years after the 70s. There was much to be done in between.

    Also, I'm not a millennial.
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    I love the aesthetics of the 70's. To me, that's when movies really became modern. Movies like The Godfather, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and Days of Heaven do not look "dated" to me, the way most movies from the 60's do. Even a kid's movie like Benji (not a great movie, maybe not even a good one) to me doesn't look like a movie. It just looks like the real world.

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    Here's a great example of my feeling. This looks awful. Shot in someone's basement with a handheld. Nothing cinematic about this.

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    Yes, a very dark basement with "Video Unavailable" projected on the wall
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    Quote Quoting Mysterious Dude (view post)
    I love the aesthetics of the 70's. To me, that's when movies really became modern. Movies like The Godfather, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and Days of Heaven do not look "dated" to me, the way most movies from the 60's do. Even a kid's movie like Benji (not a great movie, maybe not even a good one) to me doesn't look like a movie. It just looks like the real world.
    THink this may be why I like the 70s also.
    Of course, this can look absolutely terrible in certain cases.

    But the movies you mentioned, Taxi Driver, Dog Day Afternoon... There's a much more lived in/realistic feeling that made movies feel more dangerous/real. What is missing is the "cinematic" feel of big opening titles, heightened acting, cinemascope look... So there's good with the bad of course, I just really like that 70s look.

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    Quote Quoting transmogrifier (view post)
    Yes, a very dark basement with "Video Unavailable" projected on the wall
    I LOLed!
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    Quote Quoting Ezee E (view post)
    THink this may be why I like the 70s also.
    Of course, this can look absolutely terrible in certain cases.

    But the movies you mentioned, Taxi Driver, Dog Day Afternoon... There's a much more lived in/realistic feeling that made movies feel more dangerous/real. What is missing is the "cinematic" feel of big opening titles, heightened acting, cinemascope look... So there's good with the bad of course, I just really like that 70s look.
    What about another deterrent. Is it a product of the technology? Not necessarily an aesthetic choice? This is all before non-linear editing techniques.
    Look at this take starting at 0:04. It holds on this one shot for over a minute during one of the more critical scene in the movie. Director's choice? Or the editor didn't want to cut anywhere because, "why cut?" Sure loses much of the steam here when you're so far away from the actor's facial reactions.

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    Quote Quoting Dukefrukem (view post)
    What about another deterrent. Is it a product of the technology? Not necessarily an aesthetic choice? This is all before non-linear editing techniques.
    Look at this take starting at 0:04. It holds on this one shot for over a minute during one of the more critical scene in the movie. Director's choice? Or the editor didn't want to cut anywhere because, "why cut?" Sure loses much of the steam here when you're so far away from the actor's facial reactions.

    Absolutely a director's choice to not cut. He easily could've cut to OTS shots or a closer 2-shot, but holding from a distance just holds tension better. Scorsese more or less reused this shot in Irishman. We hear the emotion in their voices.

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    Hey now, I'm 32, and I absolutely disagree with Duke here, so don't lump all of us in the same category as him ; ) At any rate, concerns about grainy cinematography aside (which I feel lends an appropriately literal grit to the films of that era anyway), the 70's has always been my personal favorite period for film (at least just when it comes to Hollywood), as it's always felt like the closest the industry has ever come to being a true golden age for directors, what with the relative amount of artistic freedom that was afforded to them during that period, sandwiched in-between the studio dominance of the Classical era, and the franchise/special effects spectacle/for-all-audiences blockbuster-based model that's driven Hollywood for these past 4+ decades during the Modern period, and I can't ever imagine feeling that the decade that comprised the bulk of the New Hollywood movement was a weak one as a whole, in any way, shape, or form.
    For the record, I'm also a millennial (born in 1984). I just find it funny when Duke, who is in denial about being a millennial, says something extremely millennial.

    As for the New Hollywood period (roughly 1967-1980) being a "golden age" for Hollywood directors, putting aside specific instances where directors lost control over their films during this period (e.g., Elaine May with A New Leaf), I'm not sure that giving directors more artistic control automatically yields better films. In particular, the later films of Terrence Malick seem to me a cautionary tale of a great director almost be destroyed by not having someone to reign in his worst excesses.
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    What about another deterrent. Is it a product of the technology? Not necessarily an aesthetic choice? This is all before non-linear editing techniques.
    Look at this take starting at 0:04. It holds on this one shot for over a minute during one of the more critical scene in the movie. Director's choice? Or the editor didn't want to cut anywhere because, "why cut?" Sure loses much of the steam here when you're so far away from the actor's facial reactions.

    Your millennial is showing again. According to the website Cinemetrics, Taxi Driver has an average shot length (ASL) of seven-to-eight seconds, which is about average for the period: Faster than classical era films, which were designed to be seen on a big screen (Preminger's Fallen Angel has an ASL of over thirty seconds), but still slower than films made today which are designed to be played on an iPad while the viewer checks their Instragram account (Inception has an ASL of about three seconds). In other words, even with the rise of what David Bordwell has called Intensified Continuity in the 1960s and '70s, editors of the period still knew they had to let a scene breath, instead of hyping every single beat for all its worth as this results in the sort of rhythmic monotony that makes so many contemporary Hollywood films all but unwatchable.
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    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    Your millennial is showing again. According to the website Cinemetrics, Taxi Driver has an average shot length (ASL) of seven-to-eight seconds, which is about average for the period: Faster than classical era films, which were designed to be seen on a big screen (Preminger's Fallen Angel has an ASL of over thirty seconds), but still slower than films made today which are designed to be played on an iPad while the viewer checks their Instragram account (Inception has an ASL of about three seconds). In other words, even with the rise of what David Bordwell has called Intensified Continuity in the 1960s and '70s, editors of the period still knew they had to let a scene breath, instead of hyping every single beat for all its worth as this results in the sort of rhythmic monotony that makes so many contemporary Hollywood films all but unwatchable.
    Is there a reason why you conveniently left out the Tax-Drive 6 second ASL? Or was that to fit your narrative better? If you think it's a dig at me, when you mention Inception's incredible low average shot length, you're fooling yourself. This is a totally legit criticism of this scene, not just from a narrative level (which is debatable) but from a technical level; especially with the microphone interference when he pulls the gun out. it's faulty direction.
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    Is there a reason why you conveniently left out the Tax-Drive 6 second ASL? Or was that to fit your narrative better? If you think it's a dig at me, when you mention Inception's incredible low average shot length, you're fooling yourself. This is a totally legit criticism of this scene, not just from a narrative level (which is debatable) but from a technical level; especially with the microphone interference when he pulls the gun out. it's faulty direction.
    The 6.5 second ASL is just for the scene with Scorsese in the backseat, not the whole film.

    As for "faulty direction," in this situation, sticking to the master has several advantages: It preserves the actorly interplay between DeNiro and Keitel, and it gives the shooting a certain abrupt matter-of-factness. There are other ways Scorsese could have covered the scene, but my suspicion is that he felt the advantages of an unbroken long shot outweighed the disadvantage of some minor technical errors that most audience members aren't going to notice. In other words, in contrast with contemporary Hollywood directors who shoot every dialogue scene in the same way regardless of what the scene is about, Scorsese's decision not to cut away from the master feels motivated by the narrative.
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    Quote Quoting baby doll (view post)
    The 6.5 second ASL is just for the scene with Scorsese in the backseat, not the whole film.

    As for "faulty direction," in this situation, sticking to the master has several advantages: It preserves the actorly interplay between DeNiro and Keitel, and it gives the shooting a certain abrupt matter-of-factness. There are other ways Scorsese could have covered the scene, but my suspicion is that he felt the advantages of an unbroken long shot outweighed the disadvantage of some minor technical errors that most audience members aren't going to notice. In other words, in contrast with contemporary Hollywood directors who shoot every dialogue scene in the same way regardless of what the scene is about, Scorsese's decision not to cut away from the master feels motivated by the narrative.
    Precisely.

    The decision for DeNiro to check his surroundings after the shot goes off, seeing that the streets are barren, but us seeing him rather than cutting to a 1st person shot, still adds to the closed-in, violent, inescapable environment that he's about to enter into.

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    In other words, in contrast with contemporary Hollywood directors who shoot every dialogue scene in the same way regardless of what the scene is about, Scorsese's decision not to cut away from the master feels motivated by the narrative.
    I don't feel this is true at all. Why are you generalizing so much between these eras? And why are the 50s and 60s so appealing to my "Millennial" attention span but not the 70s? I'm seeing 8-10 ASL with Hitchcock using your precious CINEMETRICS.
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    Why is it bad to be a millennial?

    The only annoying thing about it to me is that boomers want to paint us as lazy and entitled, which is constantly disproven.
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    Cinemetrics, lol.

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