I usually take the route of "Bill Clinton couldn't get blown in the White House and not have it come out because no one can keep their mouth shut" when dealing with conspiracy nutters. 9/11, the moon landing...these would require hundreds if not thousands of people to all stay hush-hush. Yeah right.
Right, and there are also things like "jet fuel can't melt steel beams," but they don't have to melt the steel beams, they just have to make the beams sufficiently pliable. It's just so damn weird when you hear that from people whose opinion you respect and are otherwise smart people. And there comes the condescension again. : /Quoting Skitch (view post)
What does that even mean? Inside Job? That the President ordered this to happen so we could go to war?
This is like trying to find a good resources supporting the Bermuda Triangle. It's logically an oxymoron because of how retarded is that level of thinking.
Very noble of you to take the high road here. Not sure i could keep my mouth shut.
There's been two very memorable times in my life, I clearly remember respecting someone so much, only to have them say something like this which completely dismantles the prior months and months of idoling.
The first was a co-worker when I was fresh out of college. Super Intelligent. Understood VHDL and Verilog unbelievably. And one of the last days he worked with me, he said something to the effect of: "you know NASA airbrushes the photos the rovers send back from Mars to hide the alien structures right?"
Another time was a really intelligent guy who hosted an SAT prep-course when I was in high school. He Knew how to logically step through every math problem you could throw at him. And again, on the final day of working with him, he started telling me about Reiki and how he can heal people from great distances with his hands.
Ugh
I think the theory is that the US government caused the disaster as a means of passing war powers, starting wars, increasing surveillance, gaining military control of oil in the Middle East. I know our government and spy agencies are capable of terrible things, but the issue is I just can't square the claim with available evidence.
Some say they arranged it for that, some say they just allowed it to happen so they had an excuse to go after oil.
Also, chemtrails. Those people weird me out.
I would say that you're toeing a precarious line, because you'll come across certain things that would support a belief in a conspiracy, but not necessarily argue for its existence. I'm talking, for example, about stuff like the 9/11 Commission report's revelation that the CIA told President Bush in a daily briefing in August 2001 that Al Qeada was about to launch a large attack on US soil, and his administration ignored the warning. To most of us, it just shows a lack of foresight and caution, but to someone who already believes the worst, it could appear to be coordination.
Scientifically and pragmatically, I think the whole notion of that belief is absurd since there's no concrete evidence to back it up (occam's razor and all that) and the benefit seems dubious. But since the US government has historically flirted with false flag operations (I think it's probably significant that 9/11 happened only a few years after the details of Operation Northwoods went public), I get how the emotional component of it would compel someone--regardless of how they otherwise process reality--to find the idea plausible. I often question official stories from authority figures myself, especially when they've been proven over and over to be repeat liars (coughNYPDcough). I imagine the scenario is even easier to believe for people who have been on the receiving end of the military's meddling on their affairs and thus have no reason to extend them the benefit of the doubt.
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For sure, and I tend to be very hard-headed and evidence-based with stuff like this, so post hoc benefits aren't sufficient, and the prior briefings going ignored seem more a consequence of ignorance than anything.
I think that last line is the most probable source of belief. There's a lot of skepticism about government narratives and spy agencies and the goals of neoliberalism (all of which I can respect on their own terms) that I think is playing into their decision-making about 9/11.
Coincidentally, a former classmate on Facebook who I've considered unfriending for a while posted this link today and so that made the decision easier.
http://yournewswire.com/cia-911-wtc7/
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I don't disagree with anything you said. I chock it up to gross incompetence more than planned evil genius-ry. I just can't conceive of W being a mastermind of anything more complicated than a sock drawer. I definitely don't think we should swallow explanations without questioning (especially of those in power), quite the opposite.
It's the same thing as denying the Holocaust to me.
I used to really like the Tina page on FB because it was frequently hilarious and had some on-point feminist memes.
But lately it has devolved into full on man hating, and I'm questioning whether I still want it on my feed.
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Thought this was really cool.
Hey Davis!
Sure why not?
STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (Rian Johnson) - 9
STRONGER (David Gordon Green) - 6
THE DISASTER ARTIST (James Franco) - 7
THE FLORIDA PROJECT (Sean Baker) - 9
LADY BIRD (Greta Gerwig) - 8
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Neato.
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The big question on everyone's mind is: How much did you love Alien Covenant?
Please do, I missed you. Actually I was thinking of you today ... ever read any of this Mazalan Books of the Fallen?Hey there! Sorry I lost my patience last year. I missed some of you, so I might be posting again.
I read the first, and liked it. Never read any others, but have thought about them. Recommended?
I missed you.
Hello Everyone!
Although I'm new here, I do already know some of you. I used to post on Rotten Tomatoes and the Axis site under the name Orca. Been wanting to get back in the game and this seemed like the best place to go. I've been checking out Match Cut periodically and like the camaraderie here. Looking forward to some cool discussions.
Hi Devlin. Welcome. Definitely remember the Orca screen name on axis. That site was really cool. It was a bummer when it split.
Yeah. Too bad about the Axis. But, it looks like you've got some good things going on here.
There's a name I haven't heard in a long time, a long time.....
Welcome.
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Good to see you, Scar.
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