Video Games...Discuss Them

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Originally Posted by D_Davis

It would match, through some kind of unique digital code, one disc to one console. That disc could only be played in the console to which it is matched.

This way, if you wanted to play a used, borrowed, or rented game, you would probably have to download and activation code via XBLA (much like how EA now sells online passes for used games). This is so that the publisher continues to see a profit.

It's bullshit, and hopefully the rumors are untrue.

http://kotaku.com/5879202/sources-th...oduce-kinect-2

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http://matchcut.artboiled.com/showth...l=1#post398129

DD wins.

I do all of my game shopping through Amazon and EB Games, and I have never had an issue exchanging or returning a game, and I've done so many times.

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Originally Posted by megladon8

I do all of my game shopping through Amazon and EB Games, and I have never had an issue exchanging or returning a game, and I've done so many times.

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That's awesome - maybe they have different rules in Canada.

In the states, if it's opened, it's yours. If its defective, you can exchange it for the same title.

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Originally Posted by Dukefrukem

http://matchcut.artboiled.com/showth...l=1#post398129

DD wins.

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And did you also notice how EA said they were doing away with online passes last week? They've found a viable substitution, at least on one platform.

Unrelated: I was going back through this thread and saw some more of my jackass posts. I said this below, bought Diablo III on launch and suck 100 hours into it.

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Originally Posted by Dukefrukem

So the worst news ever came out over the weekend about Diablo III...

1) The game requires a constant internet connection. It cannot be played offline.
2) Mods are “expressly prohibited.”
3) Items in the auction house are bought and sold for real-life money.

pass.

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Originally Posted by D_Davis

And did you also notice how EA said they were doing away with online passes last week? They've found a viable substitution, at least on one platform.

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I did. I was happy to see that. It's too late though... The damage is done.

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Originally Posted by D_Davis

Any kind of fee is ridiculous.

When I sell books the new reader doesn't have to pay a fee to the publisher to read.
When I sell music gear the new user doesn't have to pay a transfer fee, even when a license or preset patches/samples are involved.

Just this week I had a license on a piece of software removed from my account so I could sell it. I didn't have to pay a fee, the new user won't, and the Native Instruments won't see a dime of that transaction. Why? Because they treat their customers with respect, in hopes of the same and in hopes of future sells and good word of mouth.

They have no right to make money in the secondary market. If they need to to survive, then there are problems with their original business methods.

If they want to make money on the sale of used games, then we, as respected consumers, should also be allowed to return opened games for an equal value exchange or a refund in a reasonable amount of time. They need to stand by their product if they want to be involved in the secondary market.

I bought a ton more games when Software Etc., had their 7-day exchange policy back in the day. I took a ton of changes on $50 games because if it sucked I could return it once form something else. Never once abused the system either, and fuck everyone who did.

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I agree with you in spirit but I think you're ignoring two important points: (1) piracy and (2) high production costs.

Piracy makes everything more difficult because a competitor is making your wares available for free. Worse, it also teaches people that these products have a negligible value. Triple-A titles are expensive to produce, both in dollars and time. I can't really blame companies -- many of which are publicly traded -- for trying to squeeze more cash out of different revenue streams. The Internet and market are fucking them from both ends.

PS: I remember good times at Software Etc. I returned a game once for a $50 credit but forgot to include the actual disks. The guy behind the counter didn't notice [

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(I went home later and fetched them).

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Piracy is a big concern for computer games, but I wouldn't think it would be for consoles. It's too much effort for the consumer.

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Originally Posted by Winston*

Piracy is a big concern for computer games, but I wouldn't think it would be for consoles. It's too much effort for the consumer.

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Might have been true ten years ago, when consoles required discs and connections were slower. Now, though? Not so much.

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Originally Posted by Irish

Might have been true ten years ago, when consoles required discs and connections were slower. Now, though? Not so much.

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Not a lot of seeders on most of those. Not saying it doesn't exist, my brother has hacked his Wii, PSP and DS, just saying I don't think it's that big a problem for console companies. Especially compared to music or film industries.

I am vehemently against piracy. That being said, any system that is based on a non-used gaming idea I will pirate/steal/sabotage every fucking thing of theirs I can get my hands on. A non-used world will end my gaming life. I cannot afford new. Gaming will become a thing for only the elite.

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Originally Posted by Winston*

Not a lot of seeders on most of those.

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That's because they were just posted. Click "SE" to sort by top seeders. You'll see more activity.

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Not saying it doesn't exist, my brother has hacked his Wii, PSP and DS, just saying I don't think it's that big a problem for console companies. Especially compared to music or film industries.

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I agree it's probably not as rampant as pirating movies or music, but it exists and it's still a problem. I think, generationally, it will become a bigger problem too.

Not sure you can really say there are "console companies" anymore, at least not for triple-A titles. None of these things are developed in a vacuum. Bigger studios and publishers are making games and, more often than not, porting them to every available platform.

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Originally Posted by D_Davis

That's awesome - maybe they have different rules in Canada.

In the states, if it's opened, it's yours. If its defective, you can exchange it for the same title.

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Amazon has an amazing return policy. I've never had an issue.

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Originally Posted by Skitch

I am vehemently against piracy. That being said, any system that is based on a non-used gaming idea I will pirate/steal/sabotage every fucking thing of theirs I can get my hands on. A non-used world will end my gaming life. I cannot afford new. Gaming will become a thing for only the elite.

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LOL, overdramatic much?

If you're a savvy shopper and use sites like cheapassgamer you can get new games for cheaper then you can find them used.

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Originally Posted by Irish

Not sure you can really say there are "console companies" anymore, at least not for triple-A titles. None of these things are developed in a vacuum. Bigger studios and publishers are making games and, more often than not, porting them to every available platform.

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The sad consequence being that many games are now developed with the lowest common denominator - the current consoles - in mind. I shouldn't be able to play Tomb Raider on my 2006 GeForce 8800 GT on 1080p normal/high settings, but I can.

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Originally Posted by [ETM]

The sad consequence being that many games are now developed with the lowest common denominator - the current consoles - in mind. I shouldn't be able to play Tomb Raider on my 2006 GeForce 8800 GT on 1080p normal/high settings, but I can.

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That's a good consequence.

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Originally Posted by EyesWideOpen

LOL, overdramatic much?

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Not when money grubbing bastards are threatening to delete one of my fun pastimes since I was 5.

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Originally Posted by EyesWideOpen

If you're a savvy shopper and use sites like cheapassgamer you can get new games for cheaper then you can find them used.

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I'm sure they'll find a way to charge you the full price with the activation.

I'm with ya Skitch.

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Originally Posted by Winston*

That's a good consequence.

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Not when it *could* look much better, even with a very cheap card. I own a Radeon 5770 (still very cheap, but much, much more powerful), but it was in for repairs, hence the much older GF 8800 GT. My point is - it's awesome when you can set a game up so it's perfectly playable on older hardware. It's the apparent lack of true "high" settings that's the problem.

The jump in graphics for new games is much slower now than it was between 2000-2007. I only recently upgraded my graphics card after Far Cry 3 was released this past Jan. Before that, I was running an Nvidia GTX 295 that I picked up back in 2009. That card lasted me 4 years and it still ran Far Cry 3 great, but I wanted perfect. (Anything under 60FPS at 1920x1080 at highest settings)

Digging "Dragon's Dogma" a little more now that I'm unlocking more useful skills and blending vocations.

I still don't understand the hooplah about the combat, though. It's a dime-a-dozen hack-n-slash.

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Originally Posted by Skitch

Not when money grubbing bastards are threatening to delete one of my fun pastimes since I was 5.



I'm sure they'll find a way to charge you the full price with the activation.

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Neither of those things are true.

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Originally Posted by EyesWideOpen

Neither of those things are true.

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First thing: If they take something your used to paying $5-$10 for and make it cost $60-$100, they are pricing some of their audience out the door. You're insisting that no one will stop playing games if they can't get them used or cheap?

Second thing: Speculation, and I hardly think its a stretch considering some of the things they are proposing.

There's some great iOS games for free! I play Simpsons Tapped Out more then anything else right now, :lol:

People with 360's - "Alan Wake" is currently $4.99 on demand.

I got it, all of the DLC, and "American Nightmare" for a total of about $15.