Video Games...Discuss Them

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Originally Posted by Sycophant

I bet every time it's raised that players will protest such and such policy and maybe even boycott a product, someone in the room flashes that screenshot of the BOYCOTT MODERN WARFARE 2 Steam group with most of the members playing MW2.

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Exactly. Most gamers love to whine, but very few actually vote with their dollar. Don't like paying for XBL? Don't use it. But don't complain and still use the service.

Don't like a company? Don't buy their product. But don't sign a boycott petition and then be first in line to pick up your damn pre-order.

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Originally Posted by Dukefrukem

I love the way people value different things. See this doesn't bother me because it makes complete sense. If you buy a used game, you should buy a $10 pass to play the full game online. You didn't buy it new, so you don't have the privilege to play it as everyone who did does. It takes away from teh corps who are supporting the online play via servers bandwidth etc. In the age of online play, this extra fee makes sense.

Where as my fuck you to Microsoft would be making me pay for something that should be free. (online play).

I can buy a full price game with the money saved for not using XBL.

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You're talking about something completely different from what I said in my post that you quoted.

Did you quote the wrong post?

Rumored that the next SimCity will require an EA Origins account & always on DRM.

@meg Potentially, yeah, that's exactly what it means. Game companies (or any publisher) would love to squeeze an extra fee out of every household member who uses their product.

@Duke Wow, could you be more of a corporate citizen? Maybe 10% of those fees go toward infrastructure. The rest is pure greed, and a desire to kill off secondary markets.

The worst thing about this practice is it gives every game an expiration date. Gone will be the days where you could pull out an old console & a 10 year old game & just play.

I'm still thinking about Journey.

I kinda want to replay it, but I kinda don't.

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Originally Posted by Watashi

I'm still thinking about Journey.

I kinda want to replay it, but I kinda don't.

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I've been through it 3 times now, and will be back for more. There are quite a few little secrets to discover.

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Originally Posted by megladon8

You're talking about something completely different from what I said in my post that you quoted.

Did you quote the wrong post?

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Nope I'm addressing the same issue. You're just using PSN login as an example and I'm using used physical copies as the other issue.

This online pass was not put in place for brothers and sisters sharing the same game. ITs put in place for the user game market. The same house-same game is just a by product

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Originally Posted by Irish

Rumored that the next SimCity will require an EA Origins account & always on DRM.

@meg Potentially, yeah, that's exactly what it means. Game companies (or any publisher) would love to squeeze an extra fee out of every household member who uses their product.

@Duke Wow, could you be more of a corporate citizen? Maybe 10% of those fees go toward infrastructure. The rest is pure greed, and a desire to kill off secondary markets.

The worst thing about this practice is it gives every game an expiration date. Gone will be the days where you could pull out an old console & a 10 year old game & just play.

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You make it seem like I am just as evil as the madness you are defining. It's just not as big of concern to me. For example, I'd rather argue about the $10 difference in PC games and console game than an online game pass.

I thought both PC games and HD console games pretty standardly went for $60 these days.

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Originally Posted by Sycophant

I thought both PC games and HD console games pretty standardly went for $60 these days.

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They do now. But at the start of this gen, when console games started going for $60, PC games were still $50 because publishers don't have to pay for the licensing fees that they do on consoles. Console owners threw a fit, but guess what they did? They still bought new games, at the new price. They didn't vote with their dollar. They basically told publishers that it was OK to charge $60, and so soon the publishers made the switch to $60 on the PC to make more money.

However, $60 for a modern game is a good deal as far as I'm concerned. I remember paying between $40-50 for games on the Atari, Coleco, and NES, so adjusted for inflation and given the fact that games far more expensive now to develop, the truth is games are actually cheaper today than they ever have been.

US $60 is about 2/3 of the price that new games cost here.

So I looked up Journey on wiki... What's so awesome about it?

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Originally Posted by Dukefrukem

You make it seem like I am just as evil as the madness you are defining. It's just not as big of concern to me. For example, I'd rather argue about the $10 difference in PC games and console game than an online game pass.

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No, no, not at all. I don't think you're evil -- just wondering why you accept this stuff with barelly a shrug.

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Originally Posted by D_Davis

They do now. But at the start of this gen, when console games started going for $60, PC games were still $50 because publishers don't have to pay for the licensing fees that they do on consoles. Console owners threw a fit, but guess what they did? They still bought new games, at the new price. They didn't vote with their dollar. They basically told publishers that it was OK to charge $60, and so soon the publishers made the switch to $60 on the PC to make more money.

However, $60 for a modern game is a good deal as far as I'm concerned. I remember paying between $40-50 for games on the Atari, Coleco, and NES, so adjusted for inflation and given the fact that games far more expensive now to develop, the truth is games are actually cheaper today than they ever have been.

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It's still not an industry standard, it's just widely used by Activision and Ubisoft. And I haven't played a Call of Duty in 4 years because of the new pricing strategy. I refuse to. Blizzard also charged $60 for Starcraft and will definitely be charging $60 for Diablo III. Valve has always charged $50 per title and this is why they are beloved.

THIS example is indeed pure greed from developers. Esp with digital distribution today, there's no need for the $10 price hike.

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Originally Posted by Irish

No, no, not at all. I don't think you're evil -- just wondering why you accept this stuff with barelly a shrug.

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Maybe because;

• I am the only person in my household who plays games.
• The big titles I want I pay full price for anyway
• The other titles I get free off Goozex and would hapily pay an extra $10 to "unlock"
• In other words, it doesn't affect me- Anything that will put Gamestop out of business I am 100% behind. I'd rather than online pass be paid to Sony or Microsoft than Gamestop.

The graveyard caretaker looks up at the sky and informs, with a solemn, defeated voice that there's a storm coming. Which is remarkable because so far all I've seen is rain.

I guess the world of Heavy Rain is indeed ultra-bleak. :)

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Originally Posted by Ezee E

So I looked up Journey on wiki... What's so awesome about it?

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Just play it. It's only $15, and you can go through in a single sitting. It's a really powerful emotional experience, wrapped up in a minimalistic game with some of the most jaw-dropping and beautiful graphics and music you'll ever see or hear. It's really something special.

Yeah, I think Journey will be my first PSN Store download. Looks pretty stunning.

EDIT: Second download. The first was Crash Bandicoot, just to try downloading a game.

Ok, I completed Heavy Rain, or at least one possible permutation of Heavy Rain. I appreciated it and I can sort of see how it might be worth another playthrough somewhere down the line thought not right now because right now I need something with more gameplay.

In my story [

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PI Scott Shelby is the killer and pretty much everyone dies by the end except the killer. But it's sooo flawed. If the woman Madison Paige was killed while attempting to escape the killer's about-to-explode apartment, you would think the authorities would investigate the place that blew up, which would lead them directly to the killer Scott Shelby. Sure, there wouldn't have been any evidence, but it would have been peanuts to track down the owner of the apartment.

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The plot reversal is an ambitious choice for a videogame, but it doesn't really work as there's next to no nuance. [

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Shelby is too obviously a good guy until the game's script requires him to be a bad guy. It's abrupt, incongruous rather than shocking, organic and shoulda-seen-it-comin' material. Nevertheless, it feels a little unique for a videogame so I can't say it didn't do nuttin' for me.

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Are there different locales when one makes different choices? Or basically all the places I've already been too except that I make a different choice when I'm there?

FYI Morris, the killer doesn't change based on your actions. Only who lives and who dies.

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Originally Posted by Dukefrukem

Nope I'm addressing the same issue. You're just using PSN login as an example and I'm using used physical copies as the other issue.

This online pass was not put in place for brothers and sisters sharing the same game. ITs put in place for the user game market. The same house-same game is just a by product

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So you're actually OK with the idea that Jen would have to pay again for a game I bought new, when we're playing it on the same console?

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Originally Posted by D_Davis

Just play it. It's only $15, and you can go through in a single sitting. It's a really powerful emotional experience, wrapped up in a minimalistic game with some of the most jaw-dropping and beautiful graphics and music you'll ever see or hear. It's really something special.

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Indeed. I beat it in a hour, but that hour gave me more emotions, thrills, and wonder over all 200 hours of Skyrim.

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Originally Posted by Dukefrukem

FYI Morris, the killer doesn't change based on your actions. Only who lives and who dies.

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Ah ok, makes sense I guess. Nah, I'm done with it.

Probably moving onto Dead Island or Dead Rising 2 next. I'm in the mood for zombies after the awesome of the walking dead season 2.

Played Journey for an hour now. Money well spent, I think.

Really, I have no idea what's happening around me, but I instinctly know what to do. Well designed.

I think I'll try Limbo next.

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Originally Posted by megladon8

So you're actually OK with the idea that Jen would have to pay again for a game I bought new, when we're playing it on the same console?

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Like I said, it's a by product of what they're trying to accomplish. It doesn't affect me, so naturally I would be OK with it. It sucks for people in your situation, but I don't believe they are going to go that route anyway. A game might be tied to your PS, but not PSN. It's too inconvenient.