Your victim shaming is really off putting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dukefrukem
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Your victim shaming is really off putting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dukefrukem
Ah right. It's really her fault. She practically asked for it. Brought it on herself. Dumb slut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dukefrukem
edit: I'm gonna step out of this conversation. I'm getting angry and gonna direct it at Duke and that's probably not fair either. But holy Jesus the internet is fucking warped.
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You assholes are reeeeeeeeeeally good about putting words in my mouth.
It was a very bad comparison, Duke, but I understand where you're coming from. It is a bad decision to take pictures and videos like this and leave them on a phone or uploaded to cloud storage. There are really shitty people in the world who have done this exact crime time and again (look at ScarJo, Blake Lively, etc.; or for an even shittier person, look at the Erin Andrews situation). In a way, all of the people affected by this hack have to shoulder a little of the blame, as terrible as that might seem. If you participate in these types of activities with knowledge of the fact that hacking is possible and that privacy can be violated, you are partially at fault. It's like having sex with your curtains open at night. Yeah, it's terrible for someone to be spying on you, but there are terrible people out there and you shouldn't have left your curtains open.
Then maybe you need to express what you're trying to say better?
You said, "Why someone would take a photo of that kind of stuff is beyond me." So naturally someone provided an explanation for you, to which you replied, "I don't really care why they took the pictures."
And then comparing it to drunk driving, which is an act that recklessly endangers yourself and others? I don't know what you want us to take from that.
Jen and I were eating breakfast and had a very funny exchange.
Jen: What should we watch tonight?
Braden: I don't know. Something horror?
Jen: Yeah, something fun and not too serious. I just want to have fun.
Both at the same time: Schindler's List?
Maybe you need to stop fucking assuming shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ledfloyd
See this is why I never would want to be famous. Rich maybe, but not famous.
Apologies to Duke. We did put words in his mouth and he doesn't deserve to be crucified for us reading something into his statements that he didn't intend (though I do think it brushes up on some frighteningly regressive thought tendencies).
KF: Your comparison of the open window is false. That is an intentionally reckless act. Leaving sexually explicit photos and text messages on a phone is not. There was the assumption of a baseline privacy that isn't present when you have sex in front of an open window. Credit cards can be hacked. We aren't to blame for using them. Identities can be stolen. We aren't to blame for purchasing things on the internet. It's possible (even likely) that JLa, Upton, et al. took the maximum precaution to avoid privacy violation, same as we would with any other invasion into something we assume is secure until it isn't.
I think that assigning any blame to the women here bears little-to-no difference to a statement like "look what she was wearing, she was just asking to get raped!"
Apology accepted. But the open window comparison is exactly what I was trying to say in my DD post. Only KF said it better. Didn't these celebs have their stuff backed up with iCloud? Where do you think your pics go? They don't just stay on only your phone? Even worse if you send over SMS, they get stored on the carrier side for 180 days or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by amberlita
Bring back Polaroids!
But a credit or debit card is a necessity. Recording or capturing sexual activity on your phone is not. You can do it in other ways. You can purchase a camera with a memory card. You can do any number of things that don't leave that information on your phone, cloud storage, or vulnerable computer. There is an inherent risk in this day and age in doing that when you are famous. Everyone should understand the dangers by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by amberlita
In the hyper-digital age, this line of thinking strikes me as laughably antiquated. Cell phones have become the tools by which we interface with the world and are now integral to human interaction. Everything is vulnerable these days. That doesn't mean we should be afraid to engage our electronic instruments in the ways in which we please while under the basic assumption of human decency and privacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurosawa Fan
The only thing these women did wrong was to dare to be desirable women for whom sociopathic internet leeches were willing to go the extra special mile to see them naked, even if it meant engaging in illegal activity.
Does anyone else here get the munchies from drinking, as if they had smoked a joint? Is this normal?
I'm well acquainted with the stoner kind from my younger days, but lately I've found I get an almost identical insatiable hunger when I'm drunk.
You can think it's laughable all you want, but had they done that they wouldn't be in this position. Without sharing too much information, my wife and I have a lot of fun, and even though we might like to do something along these lines, we don't because of the risk of something like this happening. And we aren't famous, and thus aren't targets. And I didn't say the women did anything wrong, just risky (though for the record, many of Upton's photos were taken from Verlander's phone, as detailed on Deadspin, so while it's mostly women who are the victims, they weren't the only victims and targets of this attack). It's a risk they were aware of and willing to take, and it turned out poorly for them. They don't deserve it, it isn't right, they weren't in the wrong, but they took a calculated risk by taking and holding that material in vulnerable places and this was the result.Quote:
Originally Posted by amberlita
I feel awful for them, to be sure, and hope whoever did this is prosecuted to the fullest extent.
I really don't understand why so many prepubescent males get so giddy about hacked pictures of a famous celebrity. Seriously? We live in 2014 where free consented porn is just a click away.
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by megladon8
Theres a thrill in forbidden sexuality, maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Watashi
I am confused by your reasoning, KF. Why are we even arguing the risk? Theft is still theft. It's not like they made the photos publicly available. The average person is not able to break into their private digital storage. Someone has to choose to commit a crime against it. If someone breaks into a house to steal a PS4, it would be callous to tell the homeowner that they're partially to blame for owning something a thief would want that's not a necessity. I disagree that assuming a risk is cause for partial blame. Someone broke into people's phones.
Do we know for sure that's what happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by number8
That's a false equivalence. My argument is that there are ways to protect these types of images and videos. Keeping them in a very vulnerable cloud storage system, which is apparently what got hacked, isn't keeping them safe. In your analogy, that's like buying a PS4 and then leaving it on your screened in porch every night, with a cheap hook lock on the door. At that point you'd be scratching your head, asking the person why the hell they left the system on their porch at night. The theft is the crime, and the criminal is a piece of shit, but putting your PS4 in the house with a deadbolt and an alarm system (or if it's something as valuable as these images and videos are to the victims, in a fucking safe) is far less risky and smarter. My only argument is that taking these kinds of pictures and videos on your phone with an iCloud sync isn't wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by number8
EDIT: If it turns out that this wasn't a cloud storage hack, then my argument becomes null and void. If they took precautions and this still happened, they aren't to blame, however all signs point to this being a cloud hack at this point.
*Sigh* Dude, just read KF's post. There's nothing wrong with this kind of reaction. No one is arguing the people responsible aren't pieces of shit.Quote:
If there's been a theft and your immediate reaction is positing about how the victim could've prevented it, ya got some work to do.
Why would someone as famous as Jennifer Lawrence take a selfie of her asshole with her smart phone?